By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Microsoft Discussion - Teraflops are NOT a Measurement of Gaming Performance

both consoles using low end cpus of the ryzen range, low number cores and multi threading.Both pc and console snext gen wont be as much of a leap.



Around the Network
KratosLives said:
both consoles using low end cpus of the ryzen range, low number cores and multi threading.Both pc and console snext gen wont be as much of a leap.

Where did you hear low end CPU's at? Leaks I've read all suggest we're getting 8 core, 16 thread Ryzen 3 CPU's with clock rates of at least 3.2 ghz, some leaks have even suggested 3.8 ghz. That puts next gen console CPU's in AMD's mid-range Ryzen 7 "performance" segment, behind their mid-high end Ryzen 9 "enthusiast" segment, and high end Ryzen Threadripper CPU's. We're looking at a massive CPU improvement compared to last gen. Compared to the last gen Jaguar CPU's, we have double the core and thread count, double the clock rate, and a big improvement in IPC (instructions per clock), we're most likely looking at a 4-5x improvement in CPU performance compared to Jaguar. 

Last edited by shikamaru317 - on 09 March 2020

Mr Puggsly said:
thismeintiel said:

Nope. MS announced 6 Tflops in July at E3 '16. It wasn't until September of that same year that Sony revealed the Pro's specs.

Ah, okay.

Either way TF was already being discussed in 2013, especially as we started seeing resolution disparities.

But it's relevant given the consoles with more TF have also had more power in practice. Consoles are essentially using the same tech.

Yes there were discussion in 2013.

Sony on reveal just showed PS4 specs. And when MS revealed X1 and it was much smaller they gone full defense mode and Major Nelson or Don Mattrick said in the news parts of Xbox that there were no way they would allow a 30% deficit against PS4 (after that we had that small bump on CPU clock), but yes they talked a lot about how they weren't weaker while Sony haven't even touted they had the stronger console.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

KratosLives said:
both consoles using low end cpus of the ryzen range, low number cores and multi threading.Both pc and console snext gen wont be as much of a leap.


Huh?

They will be Ryzen 2, 8core.
Also their rumored to run like 3,2Ghz....

Thats not "low end"


Ryzen is currently beating Intel at Mhz vs Mhz right?
This means that if you take a equal cpu from intel, thats 8cores, and also clocked at 3,2ghz it would be slower.

Not everyone buys a Intel -K part, and overclocks to 5ghz.

This is "quite" a beefy CPU imo, esp compaired to the slow jaguar cores that were inside the current Playstation 4 / Xbox One X.



I think what the OP is trying to say in one sentence is

"Calm your titties console gamers, TFLOPs means nothing and PC master race still ahead with their GFORCE GPUs."



 

 

Around the Network
Cobretti2 said:
I think what the OP is trying to say in one sentence is

"Calm your titties console gamers, TFLOPs means nothing and PC master race still ahead with their GFORCE GPUs."

And that is true.

1) Yes Tflop can give an easy comparison if everything is the same and you just change Tflop, but for most cases it is basically meaningless.

2) Doesn't mater what PS5 or XSX delivers PC can have it higher (sure probably more expensive as well)



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Well, duh. The actual measure of gaming performance is the little Nvidia symbol on your graphics card.



If you demand respect or gratitude for your volunteer work, you're doing volunteering wrong.

And I bet all of this will get ignored by many when comparing the switch 2 gpu to others (it's already getting ignored a lot).



DonFerrari said:

Yes there were discussion in 2013.

You should have just said that.

It's evident there was a lot of discussion about Xbox being weaker and it was mostly discussed on the web.

But now that Xbox seemingly has more powerful devices, I'm glad we realized it doesn't really matter.



Recently Completed
River City: Rival Showdown
for 3DS (3/5) - River City: Tokyo Rumble for 3DS (4/5) - Zelda: BotW for Wii U (5/5) - Zelda: BotW for Switch (5/5) - Zelda: Link's Awakening for Switch (4/5) - Rage 2 for X1X (4/5) - Rage for 360 (3/5) - Streets of Rage 4 for X1/PC (4/5) - Gears 5 for X1X (5/5) - Mortal Kombat 11 for X1X (5/5) - Doom 64 for N64 (emulator) (3/5) - Crackdown 3 for X1S/X1X (4/5) - Infinity Blade III - for iPad 4 (3/5) - Infinity Blade II - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Infinity Blade - for iPad 4 (4/5) - Wolfenstein: The Old Blood for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Origins for X1 (3/5) - Uncharted: Lost Legacy for PS4 (4/5) - EA UFC 3 for X1 (4/5) - Doom for X1 (4/5) - Titanfall 2 for X1 (4/5) - Super Mario 3D World for Wii U (4/5) - South Park: The Stick of Truth for X1 BC (4/5) - Call of Duty: WWII for X1 (4/5) -Wolfenstein II for X1 - (4/5) - Dead or Alive: Dimensions for 3DS (4/5) - Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite for X1 (3/5) - Halo Wars 2 for X1/PC (4/5) - Halo Wars: DE for X1 (4/5) - Tekken 7 for X1 (4/5) - Injustice 2 for X1 (4/5) - Yakuza 5 for PS3 (3/5) - Battlefield 1 (Campaign) for X1 (3/5) - Assassin's Creed: Syndicate for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare for X1 (4/5) - Call of Duty: MW Remastered for X1 (4/5) - Donkey Kong Country Returns for 3DS (4/5) - Forza Horizon 3 for X1 (5/5)

Cobretti2 said:
I think what the OP is trying to say in one sentence is

"Calm your titties console gamers, TFLOPs means nothing and PC master race still ahead with their GFORCE GPUs."

Pretty much. 

JRPGfan said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

I eluded to that toward the end with comparing the likely power to a current AMD GPU in the 5700XT.

But even then if it has a lower TDP which it will do, then it won't run as good as a desktop variant depending on how much lower that power rating is. 

This is mainly for people saying "WEll tHAat's MoRe TeRaFLoPs ThAn a 2080"

Playstation 5 + Xbox Series X, are BOTH confirmed to be useing RDNA 2.

Its about 50% more effecient in terms of Performance/watt, than a RDNA1 card is, according to AMD.

This means, that even if Playstation 5, uses less power on the GPU than a current 5700XT card does, it could beat it in performance.

power consumption:

5700 XT   ~25% less power used than a 2080ti.

performance:

5700 XT  about ~ 17% slower than a Geforce 2080 ti.

(this is on pc side, with drivers, and games optimised for nvidia bullcrap ect... on consoles differnce would be even smaller)

Now imagine a +50% performance pr watt gain from RDNA1 -> RDNA 2.

Its totally possbily that if consoles are 12 Tflops as rumored, they could be around equal to a Geforce 2080 ti.

"This is mainly for people saying "WEll tHAat's MoRe TeRaFLoPs ThAn a 2080"" - Archangel.


Would you like to dispute any of the arguements above, that says its possible to do so?
Playstation 5 + Xbox Series X are gonna be quite powerfull (imo).

17% Slower?

Your graph shows the highest end 5700 XT is 37% Slower than a 2080ti. And the base 5700 XT is 45% slower.

Imo the 2080ti is completely out of reach and if the new PS5/Xbox Series X can match it's performance I will request a permaban of my account fro a mod.

The new consoles have a chance of catching up to a 2070 super and Ryzen 7 3700x combination (although those 2 components combined cost £750, but I'll lower to £550 for bulk buying, cheaper mobile chip variants and removing the Nvidia Tax) And that's before any cooling, motherboard, controllers with a much higher  power budget.

But judging by the numbers you've shown, I will ask for a permaban if the new consoles match a 2080ti. 

Edit: My Actual prediction is RTX 2060 super equivalent.

Edit,2: I forgot to include the expensive likely 1TB nvme SSD storage in my mockup price components.

Last edited by ArchangelMadzz - on 09 March 2020

PS4(PS5 Soon)and PC gaming

There's only 2 races: White and 'Political Agenda'
2 Genders: Male and 'Political Agenda'
2 Hairstyles for female characters: Long and 'Political Agenda'
2 Sexualities: Straight and 'Political Agenda'