From my memory Fifa on Switch was fine for what it is. EA hasn't ported the engine.

Overwatch and Ark aren't bad in the sense they're functional products. Ark is not amazing on more powerful specs either.

We don't really know if X1 is the problem for Cyberpunk but its not surprising YOU accepted that rumor. If PS4 can handle it then so can X1. Witcher 3 was delayed as many AAA games are. Cyberpunk was supposed to be an exception? That's pretty naive.

Anyway, your response is completely irrelevant. I wasn't suggesting all games could be ported to lesser specs like Switch. You just examples of some surprising ports on Switch.

I do not care for specs on paper, I only care for what my eyes perceive, and my projector has a much more natural looking picture, way more pleasant and doesn't tire my eyes. With many advantages, such as great view from angles, no reflections on screen, example, my TV shows reflection from the ps4 led light, no way to disable the light. But doesn't show on my projector.

It really doesn't matter, I have both, and I will never go back to TV, only use TV here in the UK because the room I rent is very small, but in my house I setup the living room specifically for projector, will never ever have a TV again even if there's a 120inch TV, I still prefer the quality of projector, much easier on the eyes and gives you the feeling of being in a cinema, image on TVs look fake, specially on Samsung and LG TVs that I've seen, very unnatural and nowhere like real life.

Actually the only issue on my projector is not being able to drop the brightness, its a bit too much, I put it on energy saving mode and its still too bright, on my TV in a dark room I drop the backlight brightness to a third.

Actually talking image quality, forgetting all specs and numbers, just real life experience, I still prefer my old Panasonic Plasma TV, image was nicer and more realistic too, these 4K HDR is all marketing to sell.

Not to mention HDR in games is still not done well, I was struggling with red dead 2 and in the end I just disable it after messing up so much with the settings, turns out the image is nicer without HDR, doesn't burn my eyes so much.

And like I said, I prefer the effect of super sampling on my projector vs upscaling which introduces artefacts on ps4 pro (1440p upscales to 2160p), upscaling will be always worse than super sampling, same as having a 360 upscaled to a 1080p TV, just doesn't look as good as on a 720p TV.

Next gen surely things will improve, but at the moment 1080p is still better than 4K on a ps4 pro.

And even at 120p the 1080p looks fantastic, no jaggies at all, so all this 4k is marketing, our eyes do not need 4k at all.

Actually, I played my launch day ps4 on my brother 720 old tv and image looked better, less jaggies due to super sampling. So playing ps4 on a 720p TV is better than 1080p TV, its like picking the AA on a PC. Unfortunately marketing is like that, numbers to sell, its like cameras, they sell megapixels but my SLR 12megapixels destroys any mobile phone at 40megapixels. Its just numbers, not real life.

In fact bluray movies looked better on my old 1080p plasma than on my current 4k Panasonic, even tough the plasma cost me around 1500dollars and the 4K cost me around 700dollars. My point is, resolution is only a very small part of the picture.

The only reason I sold my plasma was electricity costs and it heats the room too much in the summer, my plasma was using 300w, my 4K uses 65w.

Guys I also love my wiiU and switch but lets not lie, Fifa on switch looks way worse than on a PC or xbox X, its like night and day. The switch is 1 teraflop, xbox series X is 12 teraflops with a lot more RAM and a much better processor and newer architecture, lets not pretend games will look just fine on the switch, even the Vita had less power difference to the ps4 than the switch to ps5 and xbox series X.

Cyberpunk will look like a totally different game on those consoles.

I cant even believe that people on this site (hardcore gamers) fell for the cyberpunk thing, c'mon do you guys not see it was delayed to launch closer to the new consoles so they can sell more? Of course anything ps4 can do the xbox1 can do too, they are very close in graphics power and architecture. If it would struggle on the xbox 1 then it would also struggle on ps4 slim. The xbox 1 could be 720p and ps4 900p.

The Playstation 3 launched with a bottom price of $499 USD with another tier at $599.
Inflation over the past 13 years would mean things should be 24.76% higher in absolute terms.

That means for a $499 PS3 launch price, that would be $622.55 today and $599 would be $747.31.
https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/2007?amount=599

The Xbox One X released in 2017 for $499. Today's pricing would put it at $526.60.

So you are wrong that $600 back then is $800 now. $600 is still not a bargain either, that is still a hefty chunk of change to allot of people.
Games haven't jumped in base price, but many games feature hundreds/thousands of dollars worth of DLC/Microtransactions/collectors editions which is where additional revenues tend to be accrued.

Output resolution is important, to a point. And only if all things are kept equal.

Allot of the issue is that not everything is actually rendered at the output resolution, many shadows or lighting shafts for instance are rendered at "quarter resolution". - So if you are running a game at 4k, those assets would be 1080P.

Projectors tend to scale things differently than a pixel-perfect LCD, they are non comparable.

Agreed. Display quality is important... A Display with higher contrasts and colour depth (HDR displays) is far more important thing to consider.
It's just all decent TV's being manufactured in 2020 are 4k anyway, so we might as well use it.

Allot of UHD blu-rays actually use a 1080P source anyway for their mastering. It's a messy situation... Usually they just parse it through a few enhancements like sharpening.

This is the second piece of false information that I am going to pull you up on in this reply.

The Switch is NOT 1 teraflop.
Docked the Switch's maximum GPU clock is 768Mhz.
Now if you know anything about Gflops... You would know it's a useless metric and is entirely theoretical...

However... 768mhz clockrate * 2 instructions per clock * 256 Shader Pipelines equates to 393Gflop of single precision floating point.
In mobile mode the maximum clockrate is 460Mhz... Applying that same formula... 460*2*256 is 235Gflop.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kevinmurnane/2019/05/12/nintendo-increases-gpu-clock-speed-in-the-switch-with-encouraging-results/#4eab7ba833cd

However, games need more than just single precision floating point capabilities, the Switch's GPU is simply more capable than "other" 200-400~ Gflop class GPU's like what was in the Playstation 3/Xbox 360/Wii U.

You can double all those numbers again for half precision, but games won't be using half precision for everything anyway.

Games will be fine on Switch, if you care about graphics you wouldn't have bothered with a console anyway.

Smells like an assertion. Got anything to back it up?

Your first paragraph is completely irrelevant. I dont think Switch has a teraflop GPU, not in practice.

We don't know what Cyberpunk will ultimately look like until we see it. Like an actual release.

I simply don't believe Cyberpunk is ready. AAA content is generally delayed.

1 - That's USA, I live in Europe, only the 600euro model was available at launch

2 - 600dollars is a bargain in 2020, my phone cost more than that and I upgrade phones every 2 years. Minimum wages here is 1700dollars per month, 600 is barely more than a third of a months wages if you are on minimum which I am not. And 600 for an investment for the next 7-8 years is not bad at all

3 - Games have yes jumped in base price, they used to be 39.99pounds here in UK, 65 euros in Europe, now they are 45pounds in UK and 70 euros in Europe, and when you mention DLC and microtransactions, it means the real price for the complete games is more like 100euros now, add the paid online now, and you pay actually minimum 120 euros per game depends how long you stick to the online. Game prices have increased substantially, they are just hidden

4 - Yes resolution is important if things are equal, but they can never be equal at the same price point, you either sacrifice resolution, or graphics, or framerates, on PC I have the choice, on consoles I dont, most developers are pushing resolution if that means they will drop framerates and effects like AA. For me a good AA and good effects has more impact on image quality than resolution. Hence why I am probably moving to PC in January.

5 - You still don't get it about 4k and HDR, ps4 pro games look better on my projector without 4K and without HDR, and my TV is not cheap either, its a quality panasonic. Real life experience is more important than numbers on a piece of paper, in fact games look more beautiful on my brother plasma even if its 720p than on my 4k HDR, colours just look better on the plasma

6 - So you are saying the switch is much worse graphically than I thought? Way to make my point that switch is far too underpowered for next gen. Ill probably just emulate it on my PC and play with much better graphics, thanks Nintendo but the xbox series X is at least 30x more powerful, I might as well just sell my switch and never go back to Nintendo, one more reason for going PC instead of consoles for next gen.

No, it isnt, not for a videogame. Its very expensive and so is $499.

I'm just curious what your thoughts are on using native 4k for the next gen console games. Wouldn't that be a massive waste of resources compared to 1440p? I mean there has to be a reason why almost nobody plays pc games in native 4k and why the high-end pc monitors are mostly 1440p. 

I already wrote that projectors have some advantages over TV (screen size, better immersion due to a bigger field of view), you just added some more: no or less reflections (depending on the projecting screen) and less tiring for the eyes (due to indirect light and less brightness). "A more natural look" mostly depends on the color settings, both on TVs and on projectors.

I'm a fan of projectors, too. I bought my first one (720p, Panasonic PT-AE700E) in 2004 and it was a great companion for my Xbox 360 + PS3 and of course DVDs for years. Since 2008 I have a Sony VPL-VW50 (1080p), which was and is a great companion for all my 7th and 8th gen consoles and of course Blu-rays for over a decade.

Here are some photos of planning the setup in 2004 and the result:

But none of these advantages supports your claim of a better contrast on projectors. Contrast ain't a matter of opinion, it is the degree of difference between the lightest and darkest parts of a picture: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/contrast.

And most projectors have a shitty black level (darkest parts of a picture) compared to even cheap TVs AND less brightness (the lightest parts of the picture) than even cheap TVs without HDR.

I ask again: which projector model do you have and which is the "throwing distance" (distance between projector lens and projector screen)?

Another big advantage of TVs for the daily use is that you don't have to darken the room completely. We like to have a bit sunlight in the room now and then, even while we play video games.

Here is my room completely darkened. The image on the projector screen looks good, but even then the TV brightness is much brighter and the TV darkness is much darker (OLED) than the image on the projector screen. And that's without HDR, since my PSVR is connected and there ain't HDR passthrough:

Here is my room with a tiny bit of sunlight. Projector still usable, but already much less contrast:

Here is my room with a bit more sunlight:

Here is my room with the blinds a quarter opened:

Here is my room with the blinds half opened. Still no direct sunlight on the projection screen, see the red line. And the projector is completely unusable with the lighting conditions:

Well obviously there are exceptions but according to the steam hardware survey, only 1,9% of its users are gaming at native 4k, while over 80% is using 1080p or 1440p. But my question was more related to game development. Wouldn't native 4k suck up way too much resources and limit a developer's ambitions on what they can do on these next gen consoles?