sundin13 said:
Eagle367 said: Bernie is not put just yet. The fight is just heating up and things can change on a dime. So let's not have a race to the bottom with trump or with Biden. Let's agree that in terms of integrity, consistency, good policy, being on the right side of history and humanity, Bernie is actually really great while trump and Biden are bad. On some things like integrity, Trump is far worse and on some things like policy, they both are worse than the other in different categories. Make Bernie the nominee and then we can automatically talk about policy because he actually has policy. Biden and Trump don't have none and even if they did, we all know they lie and lie. Keep it to policy and Bernie wins by a thermodynamical margin. |
We can root for Bernie without creating a false equivalency between Biden and Trump.
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Did you read my comment? It's not a false equivalency, it's what their records show. Trump so far has not done anything as disastrous as Biden's crime bill but Biden is not as much of a liar as trump is and doesn't flash his corruption in the open like trump. Trump personality wise is far worse than Joe Biden, that's for sure. But when you look at their history, you can't say Biden is better than Trump in every aspect, can you? Now if you disagree, shoe me something as bad as the crime bill that Trump has implemented? As far as actual damage, I think Bush is far worse than Trump. I can be honest with myself about different presidents and political figures. I don't have to pretend that no nuance exists and it's rare to find anyone that is worse in every imaginable metric. Mitch McConnell and Eliot Abrams and Mike Pompeo might be exceptions.
Can we acknowledge that Trump is dangerous without making him the devil incarnate? If we're being honest, I don't think Biden has enough mental power left to be president, if he does even win. He will just be a symbolic figurehead. Will his presidency be better than Trumps? Domestically I believe so but internationally, I'm not so sure. Trump is not the worst of the worst and o believe picking neoliberals will lead the US down a dangerous road where you'll find someone worse than Trump as president soon enough. Mike Bloomberg comes to my mind in that regard. Bernie isn't all good either and I don't support him on everything but he is the only one I feel who is genuine and sincere in his promises to the people and who most closely alligns with me.
For many Bernie is the compromise and if the US keeps going down the road it currently is on, even a violent revolution is possible. Right now the options are fast decline with Trump, slow decline with Biden or a whole new direction that actually tries to work for the people and might steer the ship around with Bernie. You can compare records and it's alright to admit trump might be better than a democrat at some aspects. It's not false equivalence or even equivalence, it's compare and contrast. Weigh your options and come up with the best candidate according to your vision. Screw party loyalty, screw electibility. Those things come from what the people choose. Your one vote compounds and gives shape to who is electable. You can only guess beforehand. And who you choose determines the shape of the party going forward. The ideals of these parties have changed throughout history and they can keep changing. It's all as simple as that. The rest is just noise.