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Forums - Sales Discussion - Total sell in for the PlayStation 4 has reached 108.9 million units as of December 31st 2019 While Game & Network Service Down 20%

Panicradio said:
Some people say that if you deduct the DVD function from the success of the PS2, the success of the PS4 would be higher than that of the PS2. So even if the PS4 doesn't reach 155 million units, the success of the PS4 alone could be more valuable as a standalone console. I think there's something real about it.

Thats like saying Xbox360 only reached 85m+ units because of ~30m Red Rings of Deaths, killing the console.
The Xbox One, might not be down compaired to the Xb360 if you deduct all the sales from RRoD.



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Barkley said:

The forecast of 110.3m shipped by March 31st (13.5m for the FY) will be easily met. Just need to ship 1.4m this quarter.

Gameboy is going down.

Sell-through by the end of 2019 was 106.0m, right? Or was the decimal higher?

If it's 106.0m, then the PS4 needs quite some stock level correction too. Bringing 2.9m on shelves and in transit down to 2.0m while adding 1.4m in shipments requires sell-through of 2.3m. Certainly doable, but not as easy as, say, being able to end up hitting 14.0m in shipments for the fiscal year.

"Easy" is relative and it's less your post that worries me as it is JRPGfan with his speculation of 13m shipped in the fiscal year after that (or 13m in calendar year 2020, if that's what he means).

EDIT: Almost forgot to address the Game Boy line in your post. I have to make it clear that I don't doubt that PS4 lifetime sales will surpass the Game Boy.

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Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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JRPGfan said:
Panicradio said:
Some people say that if you deduct the DVD function from the success of the PS2, the success of the PS4 would be higher than that of the PS2. So even if the PS4 doesn't reach 155 million units, the success of the PS4 alone could be more valuable as a standalone console. I think there's something real about it.

Thats like saying Xbox360 only reached 85m+ units because of ~30m Red Rings of Deaths, killing the console.

No, that's actually not the point of it. It was more about a thesis that claimed that an estimated 130 million PS4 sales were a more remarkable success than 150 million PS2's. At the time of the release of the PS2, the first DVD players were enormously expensive, which is why several million units of the PS2 were supposedly sold off due to the DVD function alone.

The PS4, on the other hand, offers no added value, relative to today's standards, than the one to play. 



Likely the last time it is overshipped to this degree.



That's crazy~! Congrats Sony!

Let's see how long before it'll bump Game Boy for the #3 spot.  :P



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V-r0cK said:

That's crazy~! Congrats Sony!

Let's see how long before it'll bump Game Boy for the #3 spot.  :P

March 2021 is my guess and I mean sold to consumers.



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hunter_alien said:

I went with the 130 million prediction 3 years ago, sticking to it, and probably nailing it as well. Anyone who taught it is going to stop under 120 was delusional at that point.

Agreed. 10M should be 100% doable this year. 11M-12M if there's a deep price cut. That would put it at ~119M-121M. Hard not to see it shipping another 10M in the 3 years after that.

Problem is that not only those sold through predictions are unrealistically optimistic, it also ignores actual sold through vs shipped logic. Ps4 sold around 106m by the end of 2019 and an old console will have less and less difference between shipped and sold through until discontinuation. Should expect something like 8-8.5m this year and exponential drops every year after that.



Nu-13 said:

Likely the last time it is overshipped to this degree.

2.9 million on shelves is overshipped? What about the switch? Over 4 million on shelves



Good numbers and of course they would be on the downward due to end of gen, but some associate it with Switch release.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Impressive results....my god.

108'9M in total shipments means it did better than i expected this quarter but it will do less in next quarter too, but it's ok. So 108'9M shipped by the end of 2019 means that by the time PS5 launches PS4 will be close to 120M shipped. PS4 is tracking better than PS2 (108'9M > 103'7M) too. PS4 could add another 5-10M shipped after PS5, so 130M at the end is still a real possibility.

But the most impressive data is still the amount of money Sony is generating with the whole gaming division during 2019. More than Nintendo and Microsoft gaming divisions as a whole combined, 18'7B $ (being 12'5B $  just from PSN) for PS4 against 9'4B $ for Switch and Microsoft 4'3B $ counting XBO and PC numbers....bufff (if i read the numbers wrong, please somebody correct me).

That's the only number Sony really cares. That's why you won't see individual game sales like Nintendo does. A shame, but it is what it is....

Now we need to wait until April to know how much Sony expects PS4 to do during 2020 FY and if there is going to be any price cuts at all. That will give us the definitive clue about how PS4 is probably end in its lifetime.