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scottslater on 03 February 2020
DonFerrari said:
scottslater said:

First, those numbers are estimated sales, not actual data from the companies.  Second, they are outdated as it hasn't been updated in over a year...

@DonFerrari 

Sure for both, and no company have reported over 2M games sold on Switch have they? Will ask again can you show source for 10 3rd party games that sold over 2M on Switch?

zorg1000 said:

Whoops, I thought you posted that link.

But do you realize Vgchartz stopped tracking software at the end of 2018?

Yep it have been said. But those are the only numbers we had and within 1 or 2 years PS4/X1 had more than 10 2M+ 3rd party sellers right?

I'll say it again, pubs don't hate money nor hate Nintendo. The reason they don't put the big guns on Switch (or do an exclusive for it that is big) is because their forecasts show that there isn't the return they expect to receive on other platforms. There really isn't another answer, unless we go conspiracy theories or pubs hate Nintendo money.

No company ever reports if they sell 2m on any system ever, lol.  With over 130 million non-Nintendo games sold on the Switch I'm going to have to err on the side of probability there has been more than 10 games with over 2m sales.

Furthermore, when most of those games already released on other systems it is going to impact sales as anyone likely to purchase that game has most likely already purchased it.

Since it is impossible to prove this either way, I will provide a list of games that have likely sold 2m+:

Witcher 3
Minecraft
Diablo 3
Skyrim
Mario+Rabbids
Just Dance
Octopath Traveler
Enter the Gungeon
Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy
Civilization VI
Many Lego Titles
NBA 2kxx
FIFA xx
Hello Neighbor
Assassin's Creed
Mortal Kombat 11
Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate
Final Fantasy
Overcooked
Ori
Cuphead
Team Sonic Racing
Resident Evil
Shovel Knight
Starlink
Super Bomberman R
Doom

And I'm sure there is more.



Nintendo with the Switch:

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Nu-13 on 03 February 2020
DonFerrari said:
scottslater said:

First, those numbers are estimated sales, not actual data from the companies.  Second, they are outdated as it hasn't been updated in over a year...

@DonFerrari 

Sure for both, and no company have reported over 2M games sold on Switch have they? Will ask again can you show source for 10 3rd party games that sold over 2M on Switch?

zorg1000 said:

Whoops, I thought you posted that link.

But do you realize Vgchartz stopped tracking software at the end of 2018?

Yep it have been said. But those are the only numbers we had and within 1 or 2 years PS4/X1 had more than 10 2M+ 3rd party sellers right?

I'll say it again, pubs don't hate money nor hate Nintendo. The reason they don't put the big guns on Switch (or do an exclusive for it that is big) is because their forecasts show that there isn't the return they expect to receive on other platforms. There really isn't another answer, unless we go conspiracy theories or pubs hate Nintendo money.

What's that obsesion with the 2m number? What's the goalpost after that? The switch has received mostly old ports as AAA 3rd party support, with only a handful of day and date releases. And even the late releases mostly have no trouble beating the xbox one while some even surpass the ps4 or give it a run for it's money. Meanwhile, mid and small games on switch tend to vastly outsel the other versions. If a game releases fairly, it sells.



Stellar_Fungk on 03 February 2020
oniyide said:
Honest question. Why do people care so much? It's not like you're missing much. Respawn is the only devs from that side that seem to kinda know how to make decent games anyway. What games from EA would you want?

Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age Collecton, Command and Conquer, Sim City...

Last edited by Stellar_Fungk - on 05 February 2020

I am a Nintendo fanatic.

zorg1000 on 03 February 2020
DonFerrari said:
scottslater said:

First, those numbers are estimated sales, not actual data from the companies.  Second, they are outdated as it hasn't been updated in over a year...

@DonFerrari 

Sure for both, and no company have reported over 2M games sold on Switch have they? Will ask again can you show source for 10 3rd party games that sold over 2M on Switch?

zorg1000 said:

Whoops, I thought you posted that link.

But do you realize Vgchartz stopped tracking software at the end of 2018?

Yep it have been said. But those are the only numbers we had and within 1 or 2 years PS4/X1 had more than 10 2M+ 3rd party sellers right?

I'll say it again, pubs don't hate money nor hate Nintendo. The reason they don't put the big guns on Switch (or do an exclusive for it that is big) is because their forecasts show that there isn't the return they expect to receive on other platforms. There really isn't another answer, unless we go conspiracy theories or pubs hate Nintendo money.

The major difference is that those consoles recieved brand new titles while Switch mostly just gets years old ports and remasters from the major publishers.

I'm not saying that there is a grudge against Nintendo, I'm saying you cant expect similar 3rd party sales as other platforms if you arent putting in a similar level of support and resources.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

konnichiwa on 03 February 2020
SpokenTruth said:
oniyide said:

I dont think it was the support that some people wanted.

We wanted better support, certainly (what gamer wouldn't for their console of choice?).  But we got all the current gen sports games, some exclusives, and interesting derivatives of their bigger new IPs.

Nah people were mad with EA for not bringing games like Dead space, SSX etc etc while at the same time getting weak weird games.






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konnichiwa on 04 February 2020
SpokenTruth said:
konnichiwa said:

Nah people were mad with EA for not bringing games like Dead space, SSX etc etc while at the same time getting weak weird games.

Yes, we were but we did get a Dead Space denotative and an SSX title.  Now?  Nothing.

Check those game lists I posted.  Look at the difference.  It's staggering.

Yeah but EA made less money when they took their time and money to make games while they do nothing now and had one of the best years financially. 






DonFerrari on 04 February 2020
scottslater said:
DonFerrari said:

Sure for both, and no company have reported over 2M games sold on Switch have they? Will ask again can you show source for 10 3rd party games that sold over 2M on Switch?

Yep it have been said. But those are the only numbers we had and within 1 or 2 years PS4/X1 had more than 10 2M+ 3rd party sellers right?

I'll say it again, pubs don't hate money nor hate Nintendo. The reason they don't put the big guns on Switch (or do an exclusive for it that is big) is because their forecasts show that there isn't the return they expect to receive on other platforms. There really isn't another answer, unless we go conspiracy theories or pubs hate Nintendo money.

No company ever reports if they sell 2m on any system ever, lol.  With over 130 million non-Nintendo games sold on the Switch I'm going to have to err on the side of probability there has been more than 10 games with over 2m sales.

Furthermore, when most of those games already released on other systems it is going to impact sales as anyone likely to purchase that game has most likely already purchased it.

Since it is impossible to prove this either way, I will provide a list of games that have likely sold 2m+:

Witcher 3
Minecraft
Diablo 3
Skyrim
Mario+Rabbids
Just Dance
Octopath Traveler
Enter the Gungeon
Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy
Civilization VI
Many Lego Titles
NBA 2kxx
FIFA xx
Hello Neighbor
Assassin's Creed
Mortal Kombat 11
Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate
Final Fantasy
Overcooked
Ori
Cuphead
Team Sonic Racing
Resident Evil
Shovel Knight
Starlink
Super Bomberman R
Doom

And I'm sure there is more.

I'm certainly willing to accept that they could have sold over 2M, but as you said impossible to prove.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 04 February 2020
Nu-13 said:
DonFerrari said:

Sure for both, and no company have reported over 2M games sold on Switch have they? Will ask again can you show source for 10 3rd party games that sold over 2M on Switch?

Yep it have been said. But those are the only numbers we had and within 1 or 2 years PS4/X1 had more than 10 2M+ 3rd party sellers right?

I'll say it again, pubs don't hate money nor hate Nintendo. The reason they don't put the big guns on Switch (or do an exclusive for it that is big) is because their forecasts show that there isn't the return they expect to receive on other platforms. There really isn't another answer, unless we go conspiracy theories or pubs hate Nintendo money.

What's that obsesion with the 2m number? What's the goalpost after that? The switch has received mostly old ports as AAA 3rd party support, with only a handful of day and date releases. And even the late releases mostly have no trouble beating the xbox one while some even surpass the ps4 or give it a run for it's money. Meanwhile, mid and small games on switch tend to vastly outsel the other versions. If a game releases fairly, it sells.

No obsession. It is just again explaining (not defending) why EA isn't releasing their games on Switch, they make games that target multiple millions copies sold, and they don't see that possibility on Switch, it is that simple.

zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

Sure for both, and no company have reported over 2M games sold on Switch have they? Will ask again can you show source for 10 3rd party games that sold over 2M on Switch?

Yep it have been said. But those are the only numbers we had and within 1 or 2 years PS4/X1 had more than 10 2M+ 3rd party sellers right?

I'll say it again, pubs don't hate money nor hate Nintendo. The reason they don't put the big guns on Switch (or do an exclusive for it that is big) is because their forecasts show that there isn't the return they expect to receive on other platforms. There really isn't another answer, unless we go conspiracy theories or pubs hate Nintendo money.

The major difference is that those consoles recieved brand new titles while Switch mostly just gets years old ports and remasters from the major publishers.

I'm not saying that there is a grudge against Nintendo, I'm saying you cant expect similar 3rd party sales as other platforms if you arent putting in a similar level of support and resources.

Yes I know it, and also pointed that even when these 2 consoles received late ports or remasters they have done well (even multiple millions, in the case of let's say Tomb Raider the PS4 version outsold X1 even though it was one year late and full priced).

I also know we can't expect same sales level from small games, remaster, old ports as we have from AAA brand new games. What I'm really saying and you know and probably agree is that they don't go after simultaneous release of AAA games on Switch because even ignoring power differences, cuts in scope, and cost to port they don't think the return on investment will be high enough compared to other plans they may have.

And since you agree they don't have a grudge against Nintendo, and that the titles that companies decide to launch in Switch do what is expected or better it really just show that for EA type of game the Switch isn't a match. We can all hate EA for all the reasons they deserve and even more, that doesn't mean they are factually wrong on how they do their stuff considering that their commitment is on profits to shareholders.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Darwinianevolution on 04 February 2020
Stellar_Fungk said:
oniyide said:
Honest question. Why do people care so much? It's not like you're missing much. Respawn is the only devs from that side that seem to kinda know how to make decent games anyway. What games from EA would you want?

Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Quest Collecton, Command and Conquer, Sim City...

Do people really trust EA to bring their games as they were, without some form of trickery? Remember FIFA 19 Legacy edition.



You know it deserves the GOTY.

Come join The 2018 Obscure Game Monthly Review Thread.

zorg1000 on 04 February 2020
DonFerrari said:
Nu-13 said:

What's that obsesion with the 2m number? What's the goalpost after that? The switch has received mostly old ports as AAA 3rd party support, with only a handful of day and date releases. And even the late releases mostly have no trouble beating the xbox one while some even surpass the ps4 or give it a run for it's money. Meanwhile, mid and small games on switch tend to vastly outsel the other versions. If a game releases fairly, it sells.

No obsession. It is just again explaining (not defending) why EA isn't releasing their games on Switch, they make games that target multiple millions copies sold, and they don't see that possibility on Switch, it is that simple.

zorg1000 said:

The major difference is that those consoles recieved brand new titles while Switch mostly just gets years old ports and remasters from the major publishers.

I'm not saying that there is a grudge against Nintendo, I'm saying you cant expect similar 3rd party sales as other platforms if you arent putting in a similar level of support and resources.

Yes I know it, and also pointed that even when these 2 consoles received late ports or remasters they have done well (even multiple millions, in the case of let's say Tomb Raider the PS4 version outsold X1 even though it was one year late and full priced).

I also know we can't expect same sales level from small games, remaster, old ports as we have from AAA brand new games. What I'm really saying and you know and probably agree is that they don't go after simultaneous release of AAA games on Switch because even ignoring power differences, cuts in scope, and cost to port they don't think the return on investment will be high enough compared to other plans they may have.

And since you agree they don't have a grudge against Nintendo, and that the titles that companies decide to launch in Switch do what is expected or better it really just show that for EA type of game the Switch isn't a match. We can all hate EA for all the reasons they deserve and even more, that doesn't mean they are factually wrong on how they do their stuff considering that their commitment is on profits to shareholders.

Late ports/remasters have also sold well on Switch like Monster Hunter Generations, Skyrim & Crash N Sane Trilogy all selling over a million and possible over 2 million. That's on par with PS4/XBO late ports/remasters with the exception of GTA V, which I think we can agree is a massive outlier.

The thing is that you cant say your games arent a match for a platform or wont be profitable if you have made no attempt to release them on said platform. What evidence is EA using to conclude games like Need for Speed, Star Wars & Plants vs Zombies wouldnt be successful on Switch?



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.