Here is Dr. John Campbell on the situation in the UK:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_DDqsqhrfE

Apparently abit over ~1,2% of people under 20, get long covid/lasting damage, and some disablities (ei. cant do same work afterwards ect).
While in middleaged groups this is over 4,7%.

From a article written by 122 scientists in the field:

"July 4, 2021, 51% of the total UK population have been fully vaccinated and 68% have been partially vaccinated. Even assuming that approximately 20% of unvaccinated people are protected by previous SARS-CoV-2 infection, this still leaves more than 17 million people with no protection against COVID-19. Given this, and the high transmissibility of the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant, exponential growth will probably continue until millions more people are infected, leaving hundreds of thousands of people with long-term illness and disability. This strategy risks creating a generation left with chronic health problems and disability, the personal and economic impacts of which might be felt for decades to come."

"we consider any strategy that tolerates high levels of infection to be both unethical and illogical. The UK Government must reconsider its current strategy and take urgent steps to protect the public, including children. We believe the government is embarking on a dangerous and unethical experiment, and we call on it to pause plans to abandon mitigations on July 19, 2021."


The paper its from:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01589-0/fulltext

You know things are bad, when scientists (gather 122 of them in the field and) start doing point 1,2,3,4,5 ect
and reason out why this will backfire, if carried out.
Basically writeing a public paper together, begging goverment not to do it.

Well, a third shot would generate 50% additional revenue for Pfizer & Co.

Of course they recommend a third shot... maybe even a fourth just to be sure.

All about money now. Maybe millions of disabled people/ dead people will reduce climate change.

All about money now. Humans might get really good at microbiology in the future at least.

My problem with the booster vaccine is that there are many in this world who needs to get their first and second shots, and others are being vaccinated with questionable vaccines. Maybe get them sorted first ?

Hell even the countries that have done better % wise, in vaccinations arnt anywere close to done.

(fully vaccinated) :
UK = 51%
USA = 48%
Denmark = 40%

Plenty of countries were its alot lower than that too.


Farsala has a point:
"All about money now. Humans might get really good at microbiology in the future at least."

Without a doubt.
I wouldn't be surprised if this pandemic, caused us to leap like 20-30 years ahead, in terms of research, simply because of how much focus/money went into this. So atleast in future, we'll be better at this stuff, because of it.

Since when did this ever stop a good conspiracy theory? They'll just think hospitals are making it up, that no one ever sequenced the virus, that there's microchips in the vaccine, etc.

This has never been a genuine concern about a "rushed" vaccine or something. These people have gone off the deep end long ago.

This does raise a moral/ethical question.

Do you let the virus do 'its thing', no more restrictions, since the option is there to get vaccinated if you want / try hard enough. Basically let the anti-vaxers and other hesitant people fend for themselves. (with the risk of creating new strains in the process) And go for herd immunity the hard way.

What about the children though, below 12 aren't getting vaccinated yet and while low occurrence, there are problems with covid in children as well. Plus hospitals will stay busy with covid, pushing other things further and further back.

It seems the USA is done with restrictions, UK as well, the rest can fend for themselves. Canada might be next.

Anyway, instead of getting rid of it / numbers so low it won't flare up again with vaccinations, now it's a wait and see game again whether it's safe to send my youngest back to school. He has to go back regardless, not doing well socially. But how safe it will be, I don't know. There definitely no longer is any push to suppress the pandemic entirely, it's a collective fail in that regards.

I'm getting my second dose tomorrow, and my wife should have reached close to full immunity by now. Next, the kids, our oldest just turned 12, so he is eligible. It still feels like a gamble. Too many unknowns still and too much conflicting information. Anyway it's his decision to make and there is zero info made available for kids. Pretty poor going imo.

The vax doesn't make every last person 100% immune. How do we know this possible, much deadlier mutation, won't come from someone who is already vaxed with their defenses supposedly prepared? Most of the time you don't bother upping your game much unless it becomes necessity, due to efficiency.

Once again, the professionals, told us Canadians it was totally fine to mix n match vaccines and now they're saying not to because it could be a considerable problem. They're also saying not to make your own mind up with this new info, but to look to the experts, who already said it was fine. How many times are they going to flip flop on one thing after another and expect people to believe them strongly enough to get jabbed asap?

You can't blame the people when the trusted sources are constantly showing themselves to be anything but. If the professionals don't look to have a handle on the situation, who then do you trust? Lockdown can't stay in limbo forever, and people can't be forced to take it because that'll just make things far worse.

The way forward is hope for the best because that's always what's going on. The level of control in decades prior, supposedly meant everything was going to be fine, right up until, 9/11, the 2008 economic collapse, and covid-19. Yet somehow, someway, they still happened, and things worked themselves out relatively reasonably, though lessons were learned. It's not exactly comforting, but it is what it is.

Best of luck to you and your family in whatever decisions made.

I mean...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/08/new-zealand-children-falling-ill-in-high-numbers-due-to-covid-immunity-debt

https://www.insider.com/rsv-respiratory-virus-is-infecting-children-across-the-south-2021-6

I understand the concern, but it isn't even the most dangerous virus to routinely affect children. Not even close.

I mean, we don't know even if the vaccines will be approved to them. And if they were, is vaccinating children really justifiable when billions of at-risk groups don't have a single dose yet, and we aren't as obsessed about much greater threats to their health?

Possible, yes, who knows. Just like it's possible H1N1 becomes like the 1918 strain again. Or adenovirus serotype 14 becomes much more transmissible etc. Is it worth spending time thinking about it, though? We do have emerging evidence, at least, that the virus mutates much less in vaccinated people.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.01.21259833v1

And it can't respond to evolutionary pressure if it doesn't have the time to mutate.