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ironmanDX said:
curl-6 said:

Finally managed to book myself in to get vaccinated, I get my first Pfizer shot on the 4th of August.

Only problem is I took the first available spot which is at a hospital on the other side of the city in a pretty shady suburb, so my biggest fear now is getting attacked by a meth-head or catching covid on the way to and from my appointment haha. Fingers crossed there's no covid in Melbourne then, just like there isn't now.

The vaccine rollout here in Australia has been a disaster, the government's aim was to vaccinate the entire population by October but at the current rate it will take until April 2022. Our federal government and prime minister are trash.

Still trying to organize a booking for my brother who has more significant autism than me and a congenital heart defect.

Na, I'm in Melbourne. Only case detected today was already a close contact and quarantining themselves during the infectious period.

I'm not too fussed about gettting a shot yet. Try taking your brother with you. I have heard from others if you simply wait around the area, they'll always be someone who hasn't shown up to their appointment leaving one jab free. 

Why not, you'll be there anyway.

Yeah I've been keeping a very close eye on the situation and things are going well for the moment thankfully, I just hope it stays that way for the next 5 weeks til my shot. I'm terrified of having to take four trains (two there, two back) and go to a hospital during an outbreak. It's also an area and venue I've never been to before which makes it scarier cos of my autism haha.

Thanks for the advice; I am hopeful we can get my brother sorted out and jabbed sooner. My parents have had their first shot by now too which is a big relief as they are in their 60s.



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TallSilhouette said:
SvennoJ said:

What is the difference between the first and second shot? I've heard it a lot that the first dose hardly gives a reaction then the second dose hits like a truck. My dad had the same thing with his second dose.

Don't remember which manufacturer you said you got, but my first shot of Moderna gave me a sore shoulder for a couple days while the second shot did the same along with some mild flu like symptoms for just as long.

I've only had 1 jab of pfizer vaccine, but that was basically just 1-1,5 days of a very slight sore arm.
I can deal with getting minor flu like symptoms for that long, if its really nothing worse than that lol.

I just dont want to deal with getting covid (which afaik, I havnt had yet).

SvennoJ said:
TallSilhouette said:

Don't remember which manufacturer you said you got, but my first shot of Moderna gave me a sore shoulder for a couple days while the second shot did the same along with some mild flu like symptoms for just as long.

She got Pfizer both times. They say it's safe and maybe even more beneficial to mix and match them, Moderna as the second shot. I'm just wondering if the second dose is different, more potent maybe. Or if they're simply separating appointments to get more first doses out. They ran out of Pfizer today where my wife was. She was one of the last ones to get Pfizer, but they still had plenty Moderna left.

This says they are identical, however it also says you can't mix Moderna and Pfizer (perhaps he means in the syringe?)
https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/verify-first-second-covid-vaccine-the-same/281-0b837bea-dc76-49ea-ab42-7d7c98a8b45c

Just love the daily conflicting information campaign :) Here it's up to 4 months between shots, elsewhere it's max 6 weeks. I guess your immune system might react more 'violently' against a second dose.

In denmark its 4 weeks between shots (atleast it was in my case).

I think I read somewhere that it needs to atleast be 3 weeks (any less is not optimal), and that upto 3-4 months, waiting longer usually produced better immune responces. Hence some saying, there could be benefits from waiting abit longer than 3 weeks (at the cost of risking, getting covid19 during the wait instead).

So if you have to wait like 3 months between jabs, that should be fine.
Yes, I think longer waits between the 2 jabs, will result in more "violent" reactions, which in turn also means immunity levels will be higher afterwards.

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Good guy Romanians :)

They cant administer the vaccines fast enough, and their stockpile is just building up as we speak, so they decided to sell some of it.
And that shipment is heading towards Denmark! We're about to get 1million doses of pfizer vaccines.

In denmark we're only at 56,1% vaccinated.
(we're a small country though, so 1million extra doses is gonna do wonders for us)



JRPGfan said:
TallSilhouette said:
SvennoJ said:

In denmark its 4 weeks between shots (atleast it was in my case).

I think I read somewhere that it needs to atleast be 3 weeks (any less is not optimal), and that upto 3-4 months, waiting longer usually produced better immune responces. Hence some saying, there could be benefits from waiting abit longer than 3 weeks (at the cost of risking, getting covid19 during the wait instead).

So if you have to wait like 3 months between jabs, that should be fine.
Yes, I think longer waits between the 2 jabs, will result in more "violent" reactions, which in turn also means immunity levels will be higher afterwards.

Indeed, waiting three months boosts antibody levels about three times compared to waiting one month. And a whopping 18 times for waiting 45 weeks with AZ, according to a new study.

But no correlation between vaccine reactions after the second dose and immunity levels has been found so far. A pre-print from Japan did find some correlation for side-effects after the first dose and greater immunity, specifically, though.



 

 

 

 

 

JRPGfan said:

In denmark we're only at 56,1% vaccinated.

You think that's bad, here in Australia only 6% of the population is fully vaccinated.

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curl-6 said:
JRPGfan said:

In denmark we're only at 56,1% vaccinated.

You think that's bad, here in Australia only 6% of the population is fully vaccinated.

But your a country of 25million, and only had like 30-40 cases a day (currently).

Denmark is like 5.8m+ and we have like 200-300 pr day (currently).


Ultimately the goal of the vaccine is to reduce the amount of newly infected (I'd hope).
In that sense, Australia is doing pretty great imo.

edit:
ofc saveing lives too... in DK we've had like 2,500 deaths due to covid19, and thankfully that number is way down, after vaccinations.



We're in a Delta variant hotspot. The town at the epicentre has already peaked at ~650 and is now at ~250. Most restrictions had already ended and cases were higher than in 2nd wave but hospitalisations were less than 1/3rd, less severe and didn't come close to overwhelming the health service. Deaths were much lower and mostly from unvaxed. It was probably wise to delay ending all restrictions for a month but it looks like enough were vaxed to stop hospitals being stretched.



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Same thing for Bolton and Blackburn with Darwen, early Delta hotspots in the UK where cases have peaked already:

And that's despite lower than average vaccination rates in both regions, so I'm optimistic the rest of the UK can peak at even lower levels with more people being vaccinated.

Usage of ventilators was a little higher, even almost comparable with former waves in the case of Bolton - but that's likely because younger patients are more likely to withstand the invasive procedure that is mechanical ventilation, so it's used more often.



 

 

 

 

 

Well, thanks to a cancellation I was made aware of by a friend and coworker, I was actually able to go in and get my first covid shot today!

I'm booked in for my second three weeks from now too.

So freaking happy, I've been wanting this so much for so long.

Also I didn't want my autism to run out so I needed a topup, and now I have the inexplicable urge to download Windows 11 and buy an Xbox Series X...



Thought I would give an update on the vax-front.

As a result of the Delta variant, Israeli vaccination efforts have picked up again - even when they're still on a rather low level. 64.7% got one dose (stagnated at 63% for weeks), 59.7% are fully vaccinated.

The US continues to fall behind. 54% of the population were administered at least one dose. That's a lot less than Canada (67.5%) and less than big EU countries such as Italy: 56.4%, Germany: 54.7% or Spain: 54.2% which were trailing behind for the longest time. The US is still ahead when it comes to fully vaccinated people (46.3%) but not for long.

The UK shows signs of slowing down as well but not quite on the level of the US. Daily doses administered per 100 people has dropped to just under 0.5% (7-day average). For comparison, in the US it's only 0.28%, Brazil 0.66%, Japan 0.77%, France 0.86%.

China has overtaken most of the world in record time. They are now on par with most EU countries and will surpass the US and UK in total administered vaccinations in a few weeks. They are vaccinating around 1.5% of their population every day. Twice as fast as EU countries, three times as fast as the UK and six times as fast as the US.

Unlike many other states at the top, the United Arab Emirates aren't slowing down at all. I can't find detailed numbers about the distribution of first and second dose but their total is 155 out of 200 so we can look at roughly 75-80% of the population getting at least one shot.

Canada decided to start the vax turbo. Their goal is to get as many people to receive the first dose as possible. 67.5% got their first dose (there are many conflicting sources stating that it's over 75% but that number excludes non-eligible people). Obviously there are still trailing a bit behind when it comes to fully vaccinated people (31%).