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Some hope for those ending up in ICU on a ventilator (where survival rate drops to 50%)

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/canadian-team-treating-covid-19-patients-with-dialysis-sees-very-positive-early-signs-1.4946351

"It was becoming very clear from their reports that, although the first part of the disease is a terrible pneumonia … the second part of the disease, for people who are very ill in ICU, is actually partly to do with inflammation," McIntyre said. The researchers theorized that they might be able to combat that inflammation by using dialysis machines to remove inflammation-fighting white blood cells from the body, chemically treat them and return them to the body.

"Hopefully at that point [they] hone in on the various organs that are full of inflammation and try to control that," McIntyre said.

Forty critically ill COVID-19 patients are currently being monitored by the team, with half receiving standard care for the disease and the other half being subjected to the dialysis treatment. If the latter group's blood pressure stabilizes and need for blood pressure medication subsides, it will be a sign that the treatment is working.

Should the dialysis-based method prove successful, McIntyre said, it could become widespread at little cost and with relative ease, as the necessary equipment is "already available in pretty much every ICU … around the world." The treatment could potentially also be viable for anyone who develops sepsis while in an ICU, McIntyre said.

Sounds logical, maybe it will help.



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Brazil had more cases today than the US.



jason1637 said:
Brazil had more cases today than the US.

Yeah, Brazil will be #2 worldwide in no time.  Russia #3, but I say keep your eye on India over the next few weeks. They could explode.



Nighthawk117 said:
jason1637 said:
Brazil had more cases today than the US.

Yeah, Brazil will be #2 worldwide in no time.  Russia #3, but I say keep your eye on India over the next few weeks. They could explode.

North America will be the #1 continent probably before the end of next week, 7 or 8 days from now.
However South America is exploding, Brazil doesn't show any signs of slowing down. Peru and Chile are coming on strong as well.
South America is still far behind Europe and North America, but at this rate it is bound to overtake them some time.

Europe is averaging 76.5% week over week
North America is averaging 105.4% week over week
Africa is averaging 113.8% week over week
Asia is averaging 124.7% week over week
South America is averaging 167.4% week over week

India is at 147% week over week, doubling time of 12.6 days
Brazil 179% week over week, doubling time of 8.3 days.



SvennoJ said:
Nighthawk117 said:

Yeah, Brazil will be #2 worldwide in no time.  Russia #3, but I say keep your eye on India over the next few weeks. They could explode.

North America will be the #1 continent probably before the end of next week, 7 or 8 days from now.

It would be nice if we could get accurate numbers from Asia....but as we all know, that is wishful thinking.



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JRPGfan said:


US worries me too, its still seeing 20,000+ daily cases and its now reopening even if Rt is still above 1 in some places there.
Seems like Trump is willing to take economy over lives.

Trumps personal wealth is heavily reliant on the economy, could argue it's a conflict of interest.

SvennoJ said:

Population density has a big influence. If you compare Sweden to Norway, Norway beat the virus with 234 deaths and is down to 10 new cases a day or less. Australia beat the virus with only 100 deaths. Sweden is still over 500 new cases daily (average from last week since their reporting is so irregular) and 63 deaths daily, on top of the 3,831 deaths so far.

But yep, compared to who is (or was) doing the worst in Europe, Sweden looks pretty good...

Now it all depends on whether the countries that got it down get a second big wave or if they can prevent / keep a second wave down.

There are also social habits we need to be mindful of, some nations have social practices that require more frequent personal interaction with others.

New Zealand has a population density of 15 people per square kilometer.
Australia has a population density of 3.1 people per square kilometer.

New Zealand has a population of 4.88 Million people with 1,452 total COVID cases and 20 deaths.
Australia has a population of 24.99 Million people with 7,077 total COVID cases and 100 deaths.

New Zealand is 5x as dense as Australia, so arguably should statistically see higher trends, but that doesn't seem to play out in the real world.

The issue with Australia is that, density statistics can't ever be accurate... Because the majority of the entire continent isn't really populated, we are all focused in a few key coastal areas.




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SvennoJ said:
EricHiggin said:

Peoples lives are at risk here and we can't afford to take risks. It's for everyone's own good. Are airshows really more important than lives?

The difference is, you can risk your own life for whatever you want but you should not put the lives of others at risk if you can help it. Air shows have been made much safer than they ever were. Yet look at Kamloops airport, houses build right behind the runway, that's dumb planning.

According to ABC News, there is an average of five small plane crashes each day, resulting in approximately 500 deaths annually.

With most crashes happening on take off or landing, a bit of a ditch margin between airport and residential area would be the smart thing to have. Or we could ban small planes and save 500 lives a year. The North kinda relies on those to survive though, yet the flying for fun crowd serve no purpose. Air shows, at least they are professionals and there's usually a good cause tied to the shows. Nothing like watching someone risk their live to donate some money to a good cause.

Is baseball more important than lives?
https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/25926592/fan-struck-head-foul-ball-dodgers-game-died-blunt-force-injury

Preventable deaths are just stupid. No need to ban baseball or air shows or living, safety is more important than profit margins.

At the very least ground them all temporarily. I mean, if you're going to help fund people from non essential sectors to stay home and refrain from working, then pay those aviators to stay on the ground and refrain from flying. All for the greater good. Clearly what flight tech and standards we have isn't up to the task. We need to take action and save as many lives as possible. 

If we weren't going to allow people out while social distancing because of possible transmission and death, then we sure shouldn't allow people to be airborne leading to possible altitude loss and death.

'Not that many people died from Covid 19', probably wouldn't be taken so well by more than a few, so suggesting small plane deaths are fairly meaningless wouldn't make much sense either in that case.

Professionals aren't always perfect or right and make mistakes. Sometimes big mistakes. What if the professionals doings led to major financial losses instead? Would that be acceptable? What if life was spared because of it?



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PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

Nighthawk117 said:
SvennoJ said:

North America will be the #1 continent probably before the end of next week, 7 or 8 days from now.

It would be nice if we could get accurate numbers from Asia....but as we all know, that is wishful thinking.


Yep, all the big hitters in Asia have dubious numbers. Turkey and Iran are at the top right now and they both have stretches in the data that are so lacking in any variation it can not be natural. China adjusts definitions on the fly. India seems to be doing its best on testing, yet with 1.4 billion people to keep track of... Pretty much the same population as China nowadays without the luxury of having it started in one spot nor the power of the ccp.

Pemalite said:

SvennoJ said:

Population density has a big influence. If you compare Sweden to Norway, Norway beat the virus with 234 deaths and is down to 10 new cases a day or less. Australia beat the virus with only 100 deaths. Sweden is still over 500 new cases daily (average from last week since their reporting is so irregular) and 63 deaths daily, on top of the 3,831 deaths so far.

But yep, compared to who is (or was) doing the worst in Europe, Sweden looks pretty good...

Now it all depends on whether the countries that got it down get a second big wave or if they can prevent / keep a second wave down.

There are also social habits we need to be mindful of, some nations have social practices that require more frequent personal interaction with others.

New Zealand has a population density of 15 people per square kilometer.
Australia has a population density of 3.1 people per square kilometer.

New Zealand has a population of 4.88 Million people with 1,452 total COVID cases and 20 deaths.
Australia has a population of 24.99 Million people with 7,077 total COVID cases and 100 deaths.

New Zealand is 5x as dense as Australia, so arguably should statistically see higher trends, but that doesn't seem to play out in the real world.

The issue with Australia is that, density statistics can't ever be accurate... Because the majority of the entire continent isn't really populated, we are all focused in a few key coastal areas.

Same here, avg population density 4 per sq km, greater Toronto area 6 million people at 832 per sq km.

We're still struggling to get down

Canada and also the USA are creeping back up to the 100% line again.

Ontario is doing the worst atm

Thanks to Quebec (with 2.5x as many cases) still slowing down, Ontario isn't dragging Canada above 100% yet. However cases in Ontario are increasing again. Ford has already warned people that he will not hesitate closing things down again. I'm still at home, not going anywhere, yet the commercials have all changed since last week. It's all "Now we have the worst behind us, welcome back to" etc. Commerce has decided it's time to go shopping again.



SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

Professionals aren't always perfect or right and make mistakes. Sometimes big mistakes. What if the professionals doings led to major financial losses instead? Would that be acceptable? What if life was spared because of it?

You can bring back an economy.  You can't bring back dead people.  And you certainly can't bring back an economy with dead people.

Can dead people fly planes? Will we ever be able to bring dead people back? People haven't always been able to bring an economy back. 



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

Will it be a V-shape economic recovery and economies will bounce back and be more profitable than before or will it be a slow economic recovery?