Sometimes I can't tell if you are trolling or not. Look at our excess death and covid death, they align. There might be a very low undercounting. As for population density. Stockholm inner city (1million people) has same population density as Munich and far higher population density than Oslo, higher than copenhagen.

Anyway guys we might have several mysteries ongoing about this virus. I might make a post about it on Sunday.

"If you divide deaths per million by population density"

But why.gif ?

I know population density effects how it spreads and how hard to contain it is....
but your useing that to "twist" deaths pr million, into something positive for the UK?

UK shouldn't get a "but if we also look at population density" score, to make things seem better for them.


They are MASSIVELY under reporting covid19 deaths.
They have a excess mortality of around 60,000, while reporting just 35,000 deaths to covid19.

So my 2 issues:
1) numbers reported from each of these countries arnt equally accurate (UKs is off by alot).
2) it doesnt make sense to me to "score" how a country does, by giveing them points for population density.

edit:

As much as it bugs me to agree with Trumpstyle.
Hes right about their excess deaths and covid19 reported deaths.

And most of their cases are in stockholm were population density isnt that much lower than most other places in europe.

This isnt off of your trending indicator.
Their debateing because I said Sweden wasnt doing so poorly.

I think Sweden, as crazy as it sounds has handled this outbreak better than the UK has.
Which even to me sounds crazy, because sweden basically didnt do a lockdown.

Here's a picture from Nytimes hit piece on us:

We have reported a total of 3831 death which includes todays number. Nytimes report an excess death of 3300 as of may 3.

Sweden did bad and they still have a lot of deaths per week considering their small population.

But they have much less deaths as most virologists claimed a country would have with doing so little.

So, better as expected but still climbing that deaths per million population ladder.

Question is how it will look after a year. Will other countries have much worse new waves as Sweden or not. If not, Sweden fucked up but maybe Sweden will look better as it does right now in a year.

But Sweden shouldn't be compared with a country like Italy with such an old population and with so many homes where you have three generations living together (or only two but still with a 45 years old son living with his parents)

Please enlighten me as to what their real objective is. It's obviously not killing as few people as possible.

Canada looked into its excess deaths as well and came out we're well in the negative after subtracting the covid19 deaths.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/excess-deaths-not-in-canada-during-pandemic-s-early-days-statcan-says-1.4937145
The agency found that between Jan. 1 and March 31, the eight provinces and one territory included in the data actually saw 1,145 fewer deaths than expected.
Quebec, which has been hit harder by the pandemic than any other part of Canada, logged 1,257 fewer deaths than expected between January and March, according to StatCan.

Another measure to take with a grain of salt, plenty other factors at work, but large percentages above normal do indicate not counting all covid19 related deaths.

Anyway, cities are hit harder, low population density areas are hit much less or not at all (Nunavut in Canada). Comparing Sweden to the UK will always be comparing apples to oranges. The population of greater London (8.9 million) isn't that far off the entire population of Sweden. The population density of Greater London is 4,542 people per sq km, Greater Stockholm or Stockholm county (2.2 million) has a population density of 360 people per sq km.

Population density seems to be the biggest factor for community spread which makes sense. NYC (18.8 million) has a population density of over 10K per sq km. Melbourne (5.2 million), the most populated city in Australia, 453 per sq km. It makes more sense to compare Sweden to Australia than to the UK or USA.

For comparison, the greater Toronto area (5.9 million) has a population density of 849 per sq km and Montreal metro area (4.1 million) 898 per sq km. We have tons of room but crowded cities as well.


Lower density, less measures needed to get the growth rate below 1.0, much better chances at beating the spread quickly and then keeping it under control with much lower effort. New Zealand and Australia caught on quickly and are now virtually free of community spread. Norway and Luxembourg as well, Finland, Austria and Switzerland very close behind followed by Ireland and Denmark. Japan and South Korea got it under control as well.

Sweden still has the easy mode option to eliminate community spread in less than a month if they want to. Or keep going with 60 deaths a day until maybe it stops by itself. It should eventually when the higher density areas start getting saturated, either by herd immunity or by all the easy targets being used up. I assume many Swedish people are just as concerned and practice their own social distancing while avoiding places carrying more risk.

Google's mobility update dated May 13 still has Sweden at -18% retail + recreation, -34% transit stations, and -23% workplaces.
https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-05-13_SE_Mobility_Report_en.pdf
No mandated lockdown (which is needed where population density is simply too high to let people self regulate) yet people are taking measures.

It's hard to find info on population density. But this what I found, population density urban London 6004 citizen/km2 and Stockholm urban density 3970 citizen/km2, this is based on swedish wikipedia.

London

Stockholm

I think both u and vivster are wrong, but I don't know much about population density.

Edit: This what I found english wikipedia, 1million people 4500 citizen/km2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_Municipality

Also I'm not comparing us to any country, but there are several people using population density as an argument, they are likely wrong, based on this post I just made.

This topic is still active ? There are still that many people who believe today that this virus is a real danger ?

You are comparing apples to oranges within an apples to oranges comparison.

The area of Stockholm County (Stockholms län) is 4 times greater than Greater London (6500 sq km vs 1570 sq km). That should be an indication of the two not being comparable. There are huge swathes of forests, lakes and farmland that are a part of Stockholm County. Just throwing "Greater" infront of the city name doesn't have any standardized meaning in terms of city borders and where the cutoff is.

What you should be comparing it to is the Stockholm Urban Area, which has a population of 1.4 million (two thirds of the entire country) and an area of 381 sq km (about 6% of the entire county). Which gives a population density of 3600 per sq km, which, you know, actually makes sense because large urban areas don't have a population density of 360 people per sq km. I'd look into your Melbourne number because it triggers my bullshit alarm immediately as well, but I think this gets the message across.