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So apparently the US has given up on counting altogether. I mean after all it just "makes them look bad".



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Pemalite said:
Nighthawk117 said:
Pemalite :
"Because the USA is leading the world in deaths and cases... And that is one thing you don't want to be the leader in... "

Yes we are the leader in deaths and cases as of today... However tomorrow is different. But at least we don't suppress our cases. Fuck you China.

Fuck you Russia. Fuck you Brazil. Fuck you India. Fuck you Bangladesh. Fuck you Myanmar., etc....

The millions of deaths in the United States cannot be blamed on any other country, the blame lays at the person who is at the very top and the political party they represent.

The source of the issue can be blamed on China. But the United States could have avoided it's significant death toll with proper policy and funding to various agency's.

Brazil, Russia, India and so forth also had a systemic policy failure that resulted in unnecessary deaths and their leaders/political party's deserve criticism for their respective death tolls.

It will be interesting to see how the silly protest across the USA effects the death rate in a few weeks time, if at all.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-vaccine-politics-scientific-community-60-minutes-2020-05-10/

"Trump administration cuts funding for coronavirus researcher, jeopardizing possible COVID-19 cure"

The US government is acting very strangely in this situation, with Trump cutting funding to the WHO, cutting New York City from getting ventilators, telling people to congregate on Easter, the thing about injecting bleach into their bloodstream... it is like he WANTS the virus to ravage the US population as much as possible.



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Pemalite said:

I already outlined Australias timeline and responses prior in this thread, we were already making moves even in January to combat the virus with screenings and building testing kits and stockpiling PPE and so forth, we didn't have full lockdown until March though, but our prior mitigation attempts were proving successful for that time period. -  Wikipedia isn't providing the full comprehensive view on this I am afraid.

Being in the Emergency Services I see more than what the general public does on this front.

I can't find any info for Canada, however that timeline for the USA starts in 2017.


And yep, it's putting the blame on Trump

https://www.justsecurity.org/69650/timeline-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic-and-u-s-response/

January-February 2020: U.S. intelligence agencies issue  over a dozen detailed warnings  about the threat of the virus in the President’s Daily Brief, and issue classified reports about the virus; senior U.S. officials begin to form a task force.

The U.S. intelligence community includes a detailed explanation of the potential cataclysmic disease in Wuhan, China―based in part on wire intercepts, computer intercepts, and satellite images―in the President’s Daily Brief in early January.

U.S. intelligence community classified reports track the spread of the virus, warn that Chinese officials appeared to be minimizing the outbreak, and warn of global danger from the coronavirus. They reportedly issue over a dozen confidential reports in the president’s daily briefing, colloquially known as the “PDB,” that warn about the lethal toll of the virus and explain that China is hiding information about the magnitude of the threat.  

(Note: An official at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence has denied the reports, stating “The detail of this is not true.”)

In early January, deputy national security advisor Matthew Pottinger receives a call from a friend, a Hong Kong epidemiologist who informs him of a ferocious outbreak of a new virus that has spread far more quickly than the Chinese government is  admitting. The epidemiologist also explains that the virus is spread by asymptomatic individuals. In ensuing days, Pottinger held the view that the coronavirus problem was far worse than the Chinese government was admitting.

Senior U.S. officials, including CDC Director Robert Redfield, HHS Secretary Alex Azar, and NIAID Director Dr. Anthony Fauci, form a task force dedicated to dealing with the novel virus.

“Donald Trump may not have been expecting this, but a lot of other people in the government were — they just couldn’t get him to do anything about it,” a U.S. official with access to the classified briefings told the Washington Post. “The system was blinking red.”


Lots of good info in that link. Great read of everything that went wrong with one big problem in the center of it all, starting with a T.



It seems like Canada also knew about it and was preparing in Januari. The problem was also to get the administration to react.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/coronavirus-pandemic-covid-canadian-military-intelligence-wuhan-1.5528381

A small, specialized unit within the Canadian military's intelligence branch began producing detailed warnings and analysis about the emergence of the deadly novel coronavirus in Wuhan, China in early January, CBC News has learned.

The medical intelligence (MEDINT) cell within Canadian Forces Intelligence Command (CFINTCOM) is tucked away on the edges of the country's security and defence establishment.

It has a mandate to track global health trends and contagion outbreaks to predict how they'll affect military operations, but its assessments are heavily influenced by reports from the Five Eyes Intelligence partners, including the U.S. military's National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI).

For at least one of the country's leading intelligence experts, the fact that the unit was tracking the COVID-19 outbreak and reporting on it raises serious questions about information-sharing within the federal government — and its possible failure to heed early warning signs.



Groan, part of the failure to alert and communicate came down to outdated software...

The Liberal government of former prime minister Paul Martin embedded within its foreign policy statement a plan to beef up the Global Public Health Intelligence Network (GPHIN), a network of health professionals whose job — according to its website — is to "rapidly detect, identify, assess, prevent and mitigate threats to human health."

It was supposed to operate in conjunction with the WHO and is headquartered in Ottawa.

Wark said that, despite the best intentions, the network is hobbled by other countries' reluctance to share data and the accuracy of open-sourced media reports in a country where an outbreak occurs.

And a 2018 article, archived in the U.S. National Library of Medicine, reported that the GPHIN was in need of modernization and had turned to the National Research Council in Canada to "rejuvenate" its software, systems and tools.

Wark said Canada's pandemic early warning system is a shambles.

"We put all our faith in a system of open reporting through the WHO. We should instead have applied the old adage — trust but verify."




It will all be analyzed, the documents are public

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/documents-reveal-glimpse-into-canada-s-early-covid-19-plans-1.4886560

In early January, the government went from saying the novel virus was being “actively monitored” with no confirmed cases in Canada. By mid-March, the government had repatriated citizens, assessed the national stockpile of supplies, and was having to update public health advice with the suggestion that up to 70 per cent of the country could contract the disease.

These evolutions in policy, reacting to the evolving understanding of the never-before-documented virus are documented in part, through hundreds of pages of departmentally-redacted documents obtained by CTVNews.ca. The documents offer a glimpse into some of the early-stage federal conversations and policy decisions made in the months after the novel coronavirus was identified and labelled COVID-19.

For example

As of Feb. 10 an assessment of the stockpiles of personal protective equipment was underway, and attempts had already begun to procure more supplies, a briefing note for a Hajdu call with her counterparts indicates.




Closing everything down before people first seeing what was happening to Italy would have been the correct thing to do, but nobody dared. Being better prepared would have helped as well, yet it wouldn't have made much of a difference to the size of the outbreak. The big mistake Ford made (Ontario) was to tell people to go enjoy March break. BC had the foreknowledge of seeing what happened in Quebec, people returning with symptoms. (Quebec went first, then Ontario, then BC who told people to stay home) And unsurprisingly, Quebec is off worst, Ontario follows and BC is nearly over it. That March break holiday had a big effect, but it must have been spreading here earlier than that.



vivster said:
So apparently the US has given up on counting altogether. I mean after all it just "makes them look bad".

I think that was why he wanted to close down the task force, dealing with the virus.
So he could more easily manipulate numbers.

Supposedly after alot of people called him and told him, closeing the task force would be political suicide (would be so unpopular it would effect his re-election), he came out saying something like "who knew how popular, the task force was? So I'm now keeping it".

Now hes just going to replace the people on the task force, with people willing to say whatever he wants them to say.
(he talked about getting new people in it)


Trump is actually caught saying "whats the point of testing? all you do, if you test, is you find even more".
(basically, just dont test, you wont find more cases = solves everything)

Trump lies about just about anything, so I wouldnt put it past him to start manipulateing numbers.
(one of the things hes angry at china for doing)



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Luxembourg has changed how they deliver their daily stats, now all compiled into one easily to follow, daily updated website:

https://msan.gouvernement.lu/en/graphiques-evolution.html#sg

Also, it looks like the country is slowly on the way out of the corona-crisis. Active cases dropped below 200 (last time below 200 was on March 16), People in ICU dropped below 20 and the number of persons being hospitalized with the virus dropped below 80 (last time March 23 for both cases). Luxembourg is also one of the countries with the most tests per population, 55250 tests until May 9, which amounts to about the equivalent of 8,8% of the population of the country.

The only bleak spot is the amount of dead people; we got 101 deaths due to Coronavirus, which represents about 2.4% of the number of persons dying in Luxembourg per year (normally ~4300 per year). Most of the persons who died of the Virus in Luxembourg were over 80 years old (66% of them) and the youngest person to die from the virus was just 54 years old.



Bofferbrauer2 said:

Luxembourg has changed how they deliver their daily stats, now all compiled into one easily to follow, daily updated website:

https://msan.gouvernement.lu/en/graphiques-evolution.html#sg

Also, it looks like the country is slowly on the way out of the corona-crisis. Active cases dropped below 200 (last time below 200 was on March 16), People in ICU dropped below 20 and the number of persons being hospitalized with the virus dropped below 80 (last time March 23 for both cases). Luxembourg is also one of the countries with the most tests per population, 55250 tests until May 9, which amounts to about the equivalent of 8,8% of the population of the country.

The only bleak spot is the amount of dead people; we got 101 deaths due to Coronavirus, which represents about 2.4% of the number of persons dying in Luxembourg per year (normally ~4300 per year). Most of the persons who died of the Virus in Luxembourg were over 80 years old (66% of them) and the youngest person to die from the virus was just 54 years old.

I forgot how small Luxembourg (613k) was... the irony is Denmark is a very small country too (5.8m people).


In denmark we've had about 10,500 cases of coronavirus.
We currently have something like ~2000 active cases (not sure if these are that recent #'s, might be lower).
196 people are hospitalised for it.
40 of which, are in the ICU (33 are on ventilators).

We've had 533 deaths, so far.

Typical "deaths" pr year here is like ~54,000..... so about ~1% of the number of people dyeing pr year, have been lost to this virus.


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JRPGfan said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Luxembourg has changed how they deliver their daily stats, now all compiled into one easily to follow, daily updated website:

https://msan.gouvernement.lu/en/graphiques-evolution.html#sg

Also, it looks like the country is slowly on the way out of the corona-crisis. Active cases dropped below 200 (last time below 200 was on March 16), People in ICU dropped below 20 and the number of persons being hospitalized with the virus dropped below 80 (last time March 23 for both cases). Luxembourg is also one of the countries with the most tests per population, 55250 tests until May 9, which amounts to about the equivalent of 8,8% of the population of the country.

The only bleak spot is the amount of dead people; we got 101 deaths due to Coronavirus, which represents about 2.4% of the number of persons dying in Luxembourg per year (normally ~4300 per year). Most of the persons who died of the Virus in Luxembourg were over 80 years old (66% of them) and the youngest person to die from the virus was just 54 years old.

I forgot how small Luxembourg (613k) was... the irony is Denmark is a very small country too (5.8m people).


In denmark we've had about 10,500 cases of coronavirus.
We currently have something like ~2000 active cases (not sure if these are that recent #'s, might be lower).
196 people are hospitalised for it.
40 of which, are in the ICU (33 are on ventilators).

We've had 533 deaths, so far.

Typical "deaths" pr year here is like ~54,000..... so about ~1% of the number of people dyeing pr year, have been lost to this virus.

626k... 613k is soo last year. We will catch up to you... in 400 years or so...

Spoiler!
For those who don't understand, Luxembourgs population is rapidly growing. We only broke the 400k mark in 1994, the 500k mark in 2010 and the 600k mark just 7 years later in 2017, and it continues to accelerate. That's over 50% growth in 25 years and almost double since the early 80's. If Germany had grown at a similar pace percentage-wise they'd have around 140M inhabitants now.



Updates for Europe (these graphs are getting long)

The weekend always does a good job getting the numbers down, only Ireland and Russia kept on testing at the regular pace.
Russia now adds 43.4% of the daily cases in Europe, up 3.4% from a few days ago.

Italy has been tracking lower than before the lock down for a few days now:

Italy 100 reported cases per day Feb 25th (-25)
Italy lock down March 9th with 1422 reported cases per day (-12)
Italy growth peak March 21st + 12 days (0) highest reported cases 6557
Italy reported deaths peak March 27th + 18 days (+6) highest reported deaths in a single day 919
Italy active case peak April 19th + 41 days (+29)
Italy back to lock down numbers May 4th +56 days (+44)

From lock down up the hill and back down took 56 days or 44 days since reaching the growth peak.
Back down to 100 cases per day will still take a while.


For comparison

China lock down Januari 23rd with 260 reported cases per day (-12)
China growth peak Februari 4th + 12 days (0) highest reported cases 3884
China reported deaths peak Februari 12th + 20 days (8) highest reported deaths 146
China active case peak Februari 17th + 25 days (13)
China back to lock down numbers March 1st + 38 days (30)

China had a smaller outbreak, growth peak was reached in the same time after lock down but it only took 38 days instead of 56 to get back down.


Spain is pretty similar to Italy

Spain 100 per day Mar 6th (-20)
Spain lock down March 14th with 1614 reported cases per day (-12)
Spain growth peak March 26st + 12 days (0) highest reported cases 8271
Spain death peak April 2nd + 19 days (7) highest reported deaths 961
Spain active case peak April 23rd + 40 (+28)
Spain back to lockdown numbers <pending> currently at 2600 cases per day


Reported deaths are all in decline as well in Europe

Russia made it to the top 5, Sweden is moving up by holding steady.
UK represents 42.4% of daily reported deaths in Europe.


Week over week comparisons show the current trends

Spain and Germany are still under 100% but have been creeping up, not slowing fast anymore.
The UK finally dipped back under the 100%, France just had some corrections (old cases) messing things up.
Italy is keeping its steady decline.
Belgium has lost its week over week decline which the Netherlands is holding on to.
Ireland is still declining at a good pace, Denmark barely declining while Sweden is back to increasing week over week.

Overall Europe is flat week over week, 100.2% compared to last week. Russia single-handedly wipes out any ground made in the rest of Europe.



John2290 said:

Russia isn't in Europe, it's in Asia. 

The outbreak in Russia is mostly in its European part of the country. Only 25% of the population live on the far bigger Asian side.



It counts for Europe.