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JWeinCom said:
Trumpstyle said:

From what I remember him saying from multiple segments, he first used R2.5 as a number, this was based on multiple studies showing the R number will be between 2.3-2.7 if society does nothing. Then he changed the R number to 1.6 on march 16 as our government gave guidelines/recommendation to people and companies. He also talked about hospital, he said something about how fast people coming in and out from the hospital. The last I heard him saying is using daily dead. Those are the 3 numbers I heard him using, some kind of hospital number, daily dead and R number. But as Forest-spirit mention, he recently reduced the infection spread a bit as the daily dead number didn't increase at the rate he thought it would.

And Stockholm metro has 2.3 million people not 1 Million, you can see this on his chart here on TV.

I don't think it helps, it seems to be more of a culture thing. Even before this virus I would sometimes see asian people wearing a face mask, it makes no sense to me.

There are several perfectly legitimate reasons to wear face masks.  The main one is to prevent spreading illness by sneezing or coughing on things when you have a cold.  Which I think is quite courteous.

All within reason ofcourse,do not wear them if you do not need to get close to others.

Medical staff are having face mask shortages so any mask not being overly used can be a savior for them,i have seen people walking with no one around in the wide area and wearing them and that is such a waste for such an important item in these times.

Some people clearly have a lack of understanding of this situation and it is hard to blame them with so many contradicting articles.



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Over 3million confirmed cases world wide, and over 1million in the USA.

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Immersiveunreality said:

The cases and deaths need to be atleast half of what they're now before the quarantine/soft lockdown will be dissolved,i'm guessing we could reach that point at end May/mid Juli.

I can't wait to invite some folks and cook up some fine dishes for them,when it is safe to do ofcourse and i also need to do the rest of my playtrough of Sekiro with my brother in law.(playing that game with two and taking turns is great:p)

I'm starting to give up hope for a quick down turn back to safe levels. Again today, more people out, now also more adults together. Just now 4 walked by with a baby, all about the same age so not even parents and grand parents. People riding together (taking a break not keeping distance) going canoeing together. The local ice cream stand was open today as well.

With mobility down 60% we barely got the curve to level out, currently it's between 35% and 52% down and trending up. Canadians must enjoy unemployment :/ The soft lock down will have to stay in effect until hopefully hot weather will start helping. I doubt the kids will go back to school anymore this school year. Just the month of June left now. Perhaps a hot early summer can help.



This is the official stance here

Ontario must see a "consistent two-to-four week decrease in the number of new daily COVID-19 cases" before the government can start loosening restrictions and begin reopening the economy, says a new framework for reopening released by the province.

The province will reopen its economy through a three-stage process in the coming weeks and months, says a document unveiled Monday afternoon, though it offers no firm date and few details about when that effort will begin. Click here to read the entire report.

While Ontario is believed to be at its peak in terms of the outbreak, how long that peak lasts has yet to be seen, Ford said.

"If precautions are not taken one person infected with this virus can spread it to hundreds of others," said Ford. "Progress doesn't mean we can quit now and that's why I won't set hard dates until we're ready, because the virus travels at its own speed."

According to the province, the stages for reopening are as follows:

  • Stage 1: Select workplaces that can "immediately meet" public health guidance and some outdoor spaces such as parks
  • Stage 2: More workplaces based on risk assessments, which could include some service industries and retail; and some larger gatherings.
  • Stage 3: Further relax restrictions on public gatherings and open all work places "responsibly." Even in this phase, however, "large gatherings such as concerts and sporting events will continue to be restricted for the foreseeable future."

Each stage will last at least two to four weeks, at which point Ontario chief medical officer of health will be able to tighten certain restrictions, extend the stage or advise that the province can move into the next phase.

Thus the earliest before all work places can be open is 6 weeks from now, more likely 10 weeks, July 6th, or more realistically the way things are going, 3 months, end of July. Back to hoping for hot weather to help battle this :/



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John2290 said:
JRPGfan said:

Over 3million confirmed cases world wide, and over 1million in the USA.

Ae know it's higher than that, cough, China, cough, Iran. It's likely at least 3.4 -3.6m confirmed that have just not been reported. 

Don't forget India and Bangladesh.



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John, it's worse than you think....2 weeks from now....People are fleeing from India into Bangladesh....Then they flee into Myanmar...Then they flee into China...

And on and on it goes. Here come WW3. Bring it on...



Phoenix20 said:

There is no perfect model or strategy to combat a Global Pandemic.
Comparing one country to another country is pointless.
A long recession is a huge financial cost to pay to minimise the loss of lives. The economic crisis will create a high rate of bankruptcies, huge loss of jobs and many business failures. 

Who cares. It's only money... Life is far far far more important.

John2290 said:

Not all disinfectants are dettol or bleach and yeah there is disinfectant treatments, the name of which escape me now, I was reading up on and well as UV treatments within the lungs in the past and plenty of patents to attach UV light to the end of a ventalators tube. Oddly enough, what trump was asking about had basis in reality. 

Trump needed to ask the question off screen, to an expert... Not posit the question to the entire planet that makes himself look ignorant and uneducated.

Either way... I would need some evidence to backup the assertion that injecting any disinfectant is safe... Because I would be wearing a Hazmat suit at any disinfectant spill job. Heck, even lemon juice/vinegar spill would require the use of a hazmat suit because they would be toxic in such high quantities.

We know UV can be dangerous. It is Radiation.



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More conflicting information in the same article:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/can-you-contract-covid-19-passing-others-on-the-sidewalk-answers-to-that-and-other-questions-1.4856659

“The risk of transmission for that second where people are passing within a two-metre radius of each other is almost zero per cent,” he told CTV’s Your Morning on April 16. “It's extraordinarily small.”

Even if one person is infected with COVID-19, Bogoch said it’s “extraordinarily unlikely” they will transmit it to someone passing them on the sidewalk.

The exception, of course, is if they touch each other, he said.


vs

As for whether the virus can be transmitted through the air, the WHO states that “the virus that causes COVID-19 is mainly transmitted through droplets generated when an infected person coughs, sneezes, or speaks" instead of through the air.

However, a new study from the U.S. National Institutes of Health and published in the “New England Journal of Medicine” has found that severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), which causes COVID-19, was detectable in aerosols for up to three hours. The researchers discovered this by using a device to dispense an aerosol with duplicated microscopic droplets of the virus, which would be released by a cough or sneeze. The tests showed the virus in aerosols could still infect people for at least three hours.

From experience, when someone is smoking I can smell it from more than 10 meters away, basically breathing their expelled (thinned) air. So I'll continue to keep my distance when I go out for some exercise. The forest is still empty enough to stay far enough away from people. Extremely unlikely it may be, it's not me I'm worried about. And now with allergy season starting, sneezing is on the rise.



And don't get your hopes up for a return to normal
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/waiting-for-life-to-return-to-pre-pandemic-normal-it-won-t-pm-says-1.4913562

Especially when flu season starts again in fall we could be in for a tougher time than now.


Interestingly, Quebec is opening day cares and elementary schools again on May 11th (while they are hit harder than Ontario which keeps them closed until May 31st at least). High schools stay closed until next school year. I guess Quebec can be guinea pigs for us in Ontario.



Pemalite said:
Phoenix20 said:

There is no perfect model or strategy to combat a Global Pandemic.
Comparing one country to another country is pointless.
A long recession is a huge financial cost to pay to minimise the loss of lives. The economic crisis will create a high rate of bankruptcies, huge loss of jobs and many business failures. 

Who cares. It's only money... Life is far far far more important.

Depends on life, really. It's not as simple as protect all lives at all costs.

Effects of economic crisis will be serious, destroy lives and cause all kinds of problems in the long run. I'm much more concerned about it than corona deaths even though I agree it has been important to slow down this pandemic. 



KiigelHeart said:
Pemalite said:

Who cares. It's only money... Life is far far far more important.

Depends on life, really. It's not as simple as protect all lives at all costs.

Effects of economic crisis will be serious, destroy lives and cause all kinds of problems in the long run. I'm much more concerned about it than corona deaths even though I agree it has been important to slow down this pandemic. 

It really is that simple. Life should come before money. More money can always be earned, you cannot replace a life lost... But I am a first responder. - Life should ALWAYS be the priority. Not even up for debate!

The effects of the economic crisis can be mitigated by smart government choices... I.E. Spending money.
The Australian Government started paying $750 per week for every worker who is employed by an employer but not currently working due to forced business closures.

They also paid a $750 payment to every single person who is on welfare in April with another payment being made in July.

They also increased the payment of the unemployed by an additional $275 per week.

You would think that would be it? But no. They increased the maximum draw of superannuation rates, made getting finance easier and cheaper (lower interest), $2,000 - $100,000 payments to small and medium businesses and charities based on the number of employees and more.

And the State Government has implemented it's own schemes... By providing a $550 once-off payment to the unemployed, reduced taxes and levies for businesses and home owners... And more. And that was just in the month of March!

The end result is... By sacrificing some "money" we managed to shut the nation down, completely stopped the corona virus, saved lives.
And because of such a rapid and successful response... Our economy will start to power up again before other countries.

That is how you do it right, do it expediently and where you save lives.

The American approach is just bullshit, people are placing money above life... And those people should absolutely be ashamed of themselves.



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