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Barozi said:

Russia now with 6000 infections in a single day. Second highest amount after the US (unless UK numbers increase today).

Getting scary but at least the amount of testing is good.

It was like 5000 the day before.
Which is alot for how few confirmed cases they had back then (~32k).

Not even two days and now their up to ~43k.
Thats some massive growth rates in Russia.

UK is still seeing slight growth too.
Most other places in europe your seeing daily cases drop day by day.



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CaptainExplosion said:
Nautilus said:

So you are saying that you have the right to kill people by starving them of money?

So you are saying that you value the economy over human lives?

Not a this or that situation but a this AND that,both go hand in hand.



Pemalite said:

Yes the Chinese need to be ridiculed for what they have done.

But the rest is all conspiracy theory stuff... Which I cannot possibly adhere to unless you have the citations to backup such claims.

Ok, how's this for starters...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-china-compete-us-sources

Last edited by Nighthawk117 - on 19 April 2020

Nighthawk117 said:
Pemalite said:

Yes the Chinese need to be ridiculed for what they have done.

But the rest is all conspiracy theory stuff... Which I cannot possibly adhere to unless you have the citations to backup such claims.

Ok, how's this for starters...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-china-compete-us-sources

Allow me to tear this a part.

Firstly... It is Fox News. They are about as legitimate as CNN, it's mainstream media, they conflate, they get shit wrong, they make up conspiracy theories.

I mean... That "news source" doesn't have empirical evidence or citations to backup it's bullshit... And even goes so far as to cite' "The Washington Post" who have even previously gone on record to state that Fox News misinforms millions of Americans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/01/fox-news-has-succeeded-misinforming-millions-americans/

Not to mention Fox News has it's journalistic ethics coming into question anyway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News#Journalistic_ethical_standards

The Washington Post has also been found to have engaged in false misleading "news reports" as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Post#%22Jimmy's_World%22_fabrication

These are your sources... Which are questionable at best.

Not to mention they don't really backup your arguments anyway... The Washington Post source doesn't assert that the virus was engineered by the Chinese.
And in-fact goes on to quote "The evidence it leaked from the lab is circumstantial."

Either way, they aren't asserting anything as fact... And we can move on from this.
Doesn't mean we don't lay blame at China's feet, far from it.



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Pemalite said:
Nighthawk117 said:

Ok, how's this for starters...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-china-compete-us-sources


Not to mention they don't really backup your arguments anyway... The Washington Post source doesn't assert that the virus was engineered by the Chinese.
And in-fact goes on to quote "The evidence it leaked from the lab is circumstantial."

Either way, they aren't asserting anything as fact... And we can move on from this.
Doesn't mean we don't lay blame at China's feet, far from it.

I never alleged the virus was engineered. It got out into the open because of a lab accident, helped in part by shoddy safety protocols.

This story is not going away - time will tell what the actual truth is.



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Nighthawk117 said:
SvennoJ said:

Stop it with the conspiracy stuff, it didn't jump from a bat to an employee.

Ohhhh really....How do you fucking know???....Anything is possible in this time and place..

If anything is possible I propose it was Trump who had a naughty threesome with a bat and a pangolin and then smuggled the virus in his bum to Wuhan to defecate on the carcasses of one of their wet markets. That man really gets off on weird shit.

We should really defund the US for covering all of this up.



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John2290 said:
SvennoJ said:

What reports? There is no overall mortality rate, it depends entirely on age demographics which is very different between countries.

Oh, report is the wrong word. I can't remember who put it out, Oxford maybe, anyway they calulated the mortality rate to be around double the flu with the new data of asymptomatic people. I hope it's true, even if it is doubtful. 

Edit. Stanford University in California. 

Don't think it's doubtful at all. Finland has been doing antibody test on our most infected area and it looks like actual number of infected people might be tens of times more than confirmed cases. I think results are similar in Stockholm.

Virus spreads quickly and vast majority of infected hardly have any symptoms. I'd be surprised if the actual death rate is over 1%.



KiigelHeart said:
John2290 said:

Oh, report is the wrong word. I can't remember who put it out, Oxford maybe, anyway they calulated the mortality rate to be around double the flu with the new data of asymptomatic people. I hope it's true, even if it is doubtful. 

Edit. Stanford University in California. 

Don't think it's doubtful at all. Finland has been doing antibody test on our most infected area and it looks like actual number of infected people might be tens of times more than confirmed cases. I think results are similar in Stockholm.

Virus spreads quickly and vast majority of infected hardly have any symptoms. I'd be surprised if the actual death rate is over 1%.

So far this virus has killed 0.044% of the population in Spain, with containment, the death toll will be adding up for a while still and how many deaths are still uncounted. in Belgium it has killed 0.050% of the population so far.

Spain is currently adding 0.00128% daily to that 0.044% figure, Belgium adds 0.00288% to that 0.050% figure. The lower estimates are coming :/ Is Belgium reaching herd immunity yet? It's adding up fast there.



Here's a picture illustrating the differences

https://www.businessinsider.com/chart-us-weekly-coronavirus-deaths-compared-heart-disease-cancer-flu-2020-4



SvennoJ said:
KiigelHeart said:

Don't think it's doubtful at all. Finland has been doing antibody test on our most infected area and it looks like actual number of infected people might be tens of times more than confirmed cases. I think results are similar in Stockholm.

Virus spreads quickly and vast majority of infected hardly have any symptoms. I'd be surprised if the actual death rate is over 1%.

So far this virus has killed 0.044% of the population in Spain, with containment, the death toll will be adding up for a while still and how many deaths are still uncounted. in Belgium it has killed 0.050% of the population so far.

Spain is currently adding 0.00128% daily to that 0.044% figure, Belgium adds 0.00288% to that 0.050% figure. The lower estimates are coming :/ Is Belgium reaching herd immunity yet? It's adding up fast there.

We dont even have proof you get immunity yet (most assume you do though).
We dont know how long it lasts (in general) if it does.
Even if immunity works, if the virus mutates, then next year, your "herd immunity" might not mean anything.... same problem can hit again.

Thats why I think Sweden is takeing a huge risk.


Infected cases pr 1m:
Belgium : 3,322 / 1,000,000.
Spain : 4,191 / 1,000,000.

Even if you assume, actual numbers are x10 factor higher.
Thats still only 41,000 or 33,000 out of a million people infected (~3-4% overall).