It doesn't help other nations response time when the nation where the virus originated spent a significant amount of time suppressing the existence of the virus, and then spent additional time denying human to human transmission of the virus when it has been proven they knew otherwise.  So yeah, "China fucked up everywhere".

yet with decisive action, like South Korea or Taiwan or Vietnam or Singapore showed, the effects of the outbreak in other countries could've been radically reduced anyway

China deserves blame, so do many others

No dispute there.  But the irony in the case of Taiwan, is that they were in a unique position allowing them to distrust the early information coming from both China and the World Health Organization.

"According to the country’s officials, on December 31—the same day that Wuhan health officials announced the discovery of a viral pneumonia with “no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission”—Taiwan wrote to the WHO to request more information about the disease’s potential to pass between humans. They say that the WHO acknowledged receipt of the letter, but did not otherwise respond or share it with WHO member states.
Taiwan took action anyway. Before nightfall on December 31, the country decided to begin health inspections for all passengers arriving on flights from Wuhan. Two weeks later—amid continued reassurances from Chinese and WHO officials that there was no need for alarm—Taiwan dispatched two of its health experts to the city in Hubei province, where they found significant likelihood that the coronavirus was capable of human-to-human transmission. This virus, they reported on January 16, could be far more dangerous than initially assumed, noting that Wuhan’s local doctors were taking the disease very seriously as well.
It would be four more days before the Chinese government officially acknowledged that the virus could be transmitted between humans, on January 20. In the meantime, Wuhan had hosted a 40,000-household dinner to celebrate Lunar New Year and millions of people had left the city for the holiday, dispersing across the country at the worst possible time.

By the time Taiwan confirmed its first case of Covid-19, on January 21, the country was arguably more prepared than any other place in the world. It mobilized its Central Epidemic Command Center—a rapid-response agency formed in the wake of the 2003 SARS outbreak—to implement quarantines and conduct drills at hospitals. Citizens were asked to stay calm and assured that they would all be able to buy surgical masks, as production of the masks was ramped up into millions per day. Soon after, Taiwanese masks were temporarily banned from export.

By contrast, Hubei did not begin its own emergency measures until the day after, when the Chinese health authority was already reporting 440 cases and nine deaths across mainland China.
In spite of its decisive response, Taiwan was shut out of the WHO’s emergency meeting on January 22, where representatives from 16 countries—including the PRC, Japan, South Korea, and the United States—opted to delay declaring the coronavirus a global health emergency.
When the Taiwanese CDC deputy director general, Chuang Jen-hsiang, gave his own press conference in Taipei, a local reporter asked him whether Taiwan was coordinating with the WHO. “We’re not like other countries,” replied Chuang with a pained smile. “We weren’t invited to the meeting. There’s no way for us to get firsthand information.”

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/taiwan-who-coronavirus-china/

Labs are saying that its hard to kill with heat.
Normally 60 degree's celcius for 1hour, is enough for a Sterilization of most things.
With this virus they need to go above 100 degree's (over boiling point) to get rid of it.

Its a "lie" or "fakenews" rumor, that the heat will save us from this thing.

Much more likely that india just doesnt test that much, so they have no idea of infection rates or spread.
They have supposedly done like 300k tests, for a country of over ~1,4 billion people.
(less than 0,02% of the population are tested) (they need to test x50 times more, to reach even 1% of population)

They just dont have accurate information, to any degree.


Not just India have issues with vitamin D.
In the USA over 42% of the population suffer from Vitamin D deficiency.
The darker your skin tone, and the less time you spend out in the sun.... the higher the rates and degree.

This could also be partly why Afro-americans seem to make up a disproportional, amount of infected and dieing from this virus.

I think everyone in the world, should be takeing vitamin pills or Vitamin D suppliments.
Theres studies that suggest it helps vs coronavirus. Atleast I saw a video about it, by a Dr Campell
(who himself now takes vitamin D suppliments and recammends others to do this now too).

Those countries did the smart thing and didn't trust a thing WHO or China was putting out there.

You should check out twitter, there's speculation that the death rate from China is much higher:

Estimates Show Wuhan Death Toll Far Higher Than Official Figure https://t.co/TJ8cJOv9Ew

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) April 1, 2020

China most likely suppressed the true number of cases and fatalities of #coronavirus - 2 funeral homes in Wuhan received 6,000 filled cremation urns in the last week. The official government count was 3,200: https://t.co/goa56eaL6m #CoronaLockdown #COVID19

— John Prowell (@jprowell) March 27, 2020

10) “nobody in the city believes the official death toll.

"The official number of deaths was 2,500 people ... but before the epidemic began, the city's crematoriums typically cremated around 220 people a day," #COVID19

— Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) March 31, 2020

The death toll in Wuhan could be around 46,800

The Chinese gov has said it was 2,563

But incinerators have been working 24/7, urns have been delivered everyday in the thousands, and long lines outside funeral homes don't match up with the number reportedhttps://t.co/RdX3eW3QgN

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) April 3, 2020

And this is just from Wuhan

Edit: My twitter links don't show it, but all the twitter links are from big american news sites.

Look at europe:

France had 1000 confirmed infected back in 6th of march.
India had 1000 confirmed infected back in ~30th of march.

Theres a ~24 day differnce in when infections "really" hit both of them, and started growing.
So again give it time, its early for the outbreak in india.

That said,.... this virus mainly hits the old & weak that already have preconditions.
Avg age in india is much lower than in say most parts of europe, and most of them are thin and in decent health.
(smokeing, overweight, diabetes isnt a huge issue in india, compaired to rest of world)


I think alot more in time (say 24days from now) in india will have gotten infected than in most places in europe.
However I think they will on avg have less deaths pr infection than most other places.

Simply because large amounts of their population are young and relatively healthy.

"And south Africa, the place should be like Italy at peak by now"

Look at when they had 1000 infected = march 27th.
Again the "spread" only just started there, compaired to europe, they are still very early in their outbreaks.


Also the benefit of spread hitting you late, and knowing in advance is you can put in place things (social distanceing) before the spread is too much of a issue. Europe didnt have that benefit, we got screwed over, much more so than america, by china lieing about this virus.

So again stuff like that effects how the spread goes in countries.

There is a lot more movement between countries in Europe than in India I'm guessing. India is also at least 20 days behind Italy, perhaps 30. It's hard to tell with the crappy early testing in both. Exponential growth also goes slow at the start and deaths lag another 20 days behind. It might mostly be lack of testing, both the living and the dead. We would need some data about normal and current death rates to figure out if it's really going slower through India.

Besides that, India's average age is 26.8 vs 49.1 in Italy. Many more cases will only have mild symptoms, there aren't that many older people in India. I don't know what the culture is in India for the elderly, no clue if they are more or less protected than in Italy.

Well, there are a lot, and really a lot, of Indiands around. So there are also a lot of older people around. Over 45k die every day as a rough average. A 5% deviation will not be noticed at all. Even 10% more deaths will not be noticed, people simply die in the villages and no official ever gets to make a stroke in some list.

Also spreading the virus has only started recently. When the Indian government ordered a shutdown/stay home order, hundreds of thousands of workers lost their jobs and are now wandering home (train trafic is also mostly stopped, and they woudn't have the money anyways for a ticket) into their villages

I calculated the Imperial college estimates through before based on the demographics in the US and India.

In the US the death toll could be 2.2 million if left unchecked out of 328 million population.
In India the death toll could be 2.0 million if left unchecked out of 1.35 billion population.

Actually less people would die in India than the US due to the huge difference in age demographics.

And true, if nobody is around to test and count the dead, we won't know.

(Those are lower estimates btw if 'only' 40% of the population gets infected and no extra deaths due to hospital shortage)

And you think continuing these lockdowns for months won't result in more deaths and lives destroyed? 

I am concerned the damage will be for greater everywhere if economy isn't slowly reopened. It's something worth discussing instead of calling it idiocy.