30 more death in holland.
3000 people infected.
30 more death in holland.
3000 people infected.
RolStoppable said: The entirety of Tyrol (Austria) was put into quarantine yesterday. We are all going to die. |
My region is getting locked down as of midnight tonight as well. Fun times.
Hiku said: There were concerns about a second wave starting in Asia again a couple of days ago. But the other day China had 0 new reported cases in Wuhan, and 1 case in the country overall, iirc. The numbers in Italy however really really scare me... |
They're still on lockdown. Hopefully a second wave doesn't happen when they drop it.
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I saw my town preparing for covid19 yesterday. On my way back from my run I drove by the local cemetery where an excavator was busy digging new graves. We're well prepared!
Still seeing plenty of people frolicking in the streets. Looks like we're gonna be fine.
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John2290 said: Lads. I don't think many of us will be getting to the sunny side of this one. It's too much all at once and too wide spread. Sure a country like China can handle but the global trade econony is going to be wiped out, it's interlocked to such a degree that countries will have way too much of one supply than an another and no where to sell it to if they can't find demmand in their own borders. It's already happening but when everyone is doing hard lockdowns it's finished. If they don't come up with solutions soon, like right this week to trade we're fucked beyond the virus and I'm not talking money here, I'm talking short term on the ground effects of supply and demmand. Someone is going to have to create an international emergency team to handle this and our governments are going to have to ration food for the months ahead, the more time they loose on this the worse the problem becomes because right now people aren't fishing, planting or selling livestock because the demmand, where it once was in these locked down countries isn't there any more. They are loosing time on this again like they did with the virua and now that they are so hyper focused on that it doesn't look like they are concerned about things like this two months down the road. How the fuck do you get producers to produce when they can't see a way of making their money back no less profit. How do you find a demmand within your own country for supplies that usually go to multiple countries of completely different cultures and how do you change all of the infrastructure to distribute that? I'm sorry to say but I think we need some form of a one world government (Yes, I know but fuck it, what is the other solution, billions starving and a world of only nation states left?) to get through this and we need it fast. |
What are you talking about? The demand for essential goods is not down at all. In fact it's actually up because of all those hoarders. Turns out people are still eating things. Agriculture is doing just fine and will continue to be fine because people will continue to need food. Same goes for water, electricity and internet.
You know how many people will be on the sunny side of this after we got the worst over? More than 90% of the population.
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NightlyPoe said:
How can you say per capita is pointless information? "Flatten the curve" is practically a mantra. Keeping the virus low as a proportion of the total population isn't frivolous information, it's the goal. It's the single most important datapoint in keeping the healthcare system from being overwhelmed. It's why we should be looking at the clusters, not the raw numbers. That's where things might go to poop. |
Per capita is not that useful to measure the country wide effects of social distancing measures.
To flatten the curve you need to slow the growth rate. We don't know what is the most effective combination of measures to halt the growth and reverse it. We have some countries that went into total lock down (France, Argentina), countries that went into near lockdown (Israel) and a lot of countries with various closures while warning people to stay inside, to countries that try to keep normal life going as much as possible. Or a country like the USA that does its own thing per state.
So yeah, for the states, per state comparison would be more helpful. Per capita is not that relevant, population density is more relevant but also cultural differences and age distribution.
The amount of hospital beds per 1,000 is also an important factor which ranges from 1.3 per 1000 (Mexico) to 2.3 (UK/Ontario) to 13 per 1000 in Japan. The average for the world is about 2.7 beds per 1,000. Yet for flattening the curve the total available in a country is of course more relevant. Each country has a different peak it can deal with. (Or each state, yet since the whole US is in trouble, distribution of patients will be more difficult)
It will take a lot of computer modelling to determine the best 'package' of social distancing measures for each country / state based on all those factors.
Anyway for now it's pretty useful to compare the growth between places with different measures to see what's more effective and what's not enough. The active cases in the USA are growing faster than in Italy, no surprise since they're still doing much less than Italy. And while the US has more time before getting overwhelmed, note that every day later is another exponential increase in the peak case load. China already showed that once the growth factor finally goes under 1.0, your active case load still increases by a factor 2.5 before that peaks 13 days later. If it had peaked one day earlier, the active case peak could have been 10K less, 2 days earlier -> 23K less, 3 days earlier -> 30K less, a peak of 28K cases instead of 58K active cases.
You can't be too early, you can easily be too late.
SpokenTruth said: 3/19: US-Italy Chart plus other updates - (NightlyPoe is excused from tonight's meeting). The US has definitely entered an exponential phase of new cases having gained 4,530. That is 33% of the current total cases in 1 day. We have now moved more than 3 days ahead of Italy from the original alignment. If this rate maintains, we will pass Italy and China in total cases in about a week. The nightly reporting gap is already 526 new cases - equal to a our daily total from 6 days ago. Italy itself gained 5,322 new cases. Thankfully, they are slowing down. An absolutely welcome sign for the region. Especially given that their death toll has now eclipsed the published figures for China. Switzerland may be the next country in trouble as they increased by more than 1,100 new cases today. That's 25% of their total. The numbers are unfortunately sizable for the population. The same rate of increase and scale applies to Austria and Luxembourg. 36% of all Israeli cases were reported today though it still represents a low proportion of their population. |
These updates from you are always interesting.
But even more interesting would be 2 additional columns for the number of deaths in both countries at those points. While the US are growing faster, it's also a bigger country with more hospitals, so those can probably take more patients before getting overwhelmed. But if the death rate would grow just as fast already, I would summise that the US hospitals are either not ready for so much intake, or that people not going there because of the cost of treatment until it's too late.
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