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If console exclusives disappeared, would you still buy a console?

Yes, consoles still have benefits 85 65.89%
 
No, there'd be no point in having a console 44 34.11%
 
Total:129

I would still buy consoles generally for big reason, it's due to physical discs/cartridges, even it requires large patch mandatory, it's a lot better than re-buy games via digital storefront over again when i lose my Steam account.

I don't care about if console exclusive games are heading to PC, so.. nothing can stop me.



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Chazore said:
HollyGamer said:

Well my answer is simple , i don't want to run 400 watt TDP GPU only to play 2D and and yes i will calle it 13 teraflop of GPu. Yes 13 teraflop, like it or not you need to accept teraflop is still exist. 

Also for small factor and form factor, i prefer putting my small, simple PS4 and slime PS4 in front of TV rather than my PC desktop. Which is very loud and generate a lot of Heat. I also use to play with my friend local gaming with my cousin. I dont want to bring PC also it has many work and job related content that i dont want to share to my family. And keeping in side my room.  

NO need to explain it's wattage, as it has no meaning in this discussion. I chose the 1080ti because I use it for multiple purposes, rather than a single one. Flops also have nothing to do with this discussion either, and I'm also aware that Pem/CGI have taught you lot on flops not being the end all on here. I think you need to accept that some of you do not truly understand that which you babble about. It's like uttering "flux capacitor" in order to sound intelligent, but not knowing fully what it means and what it actually does.

YEs, and that is your choice, while others can go for various FF's and place them beside or under their TV's. The only time my desktop will remotely get slightly louder, is if I push my GPU to it's limits (like MInecraft with shaders on maximum, or rendering at a higher load. I can't say I've ever heard of moments from nany of my friends when they've had to lug their consoles to another friend's house, though some of them have put their desktops in the car for spending a few days at LAN parties.

It has heavy meaning especially i buy Nvidia for GPU and build PC for small electricity bill, i usually used Console more to save energy bill on playing for longer period of time and use it for Youtube as well  etc. ALso LAN party is very old LOL, Iused to play LAN but not anymore and it need a lot of monitor and PC's while with local gaming it's just need one hardware I choose to have simplicity for gaming in front of my living are TV. 

I understand about Teraflop more than you know how it works between each hardware and GPU  , pemalite already told me etc thank you for the advice i am will still use teraflop to compare GPU performance for the sake of simplicity. 

Ot perhaps you want to stick to TDP performance and watt wattage to compare GPU performance ?



HollyGamer said:

It has heavy meaning especially i buy Nvidia for GPU and build PC for small electricity bill, i usually used Console more to save energy bill on playing for longer period of time and use it for Youtube as well  etc. ALso LAN party is very old LOL, Iused to play LAN but not anymore and it need a lot of monitor and PC's while with local gaming it's just need one hardware I choose to have simplicity for gaming in front of my living are TV. 

I understand about Teraflop more than you know how it works between each hardware and GPU  , pemalite already told me etc thank you for the advice i am will still use teraflop to compare GPU performance for the sake of simplicity. 

Ot perhaps you want to stick to TDP performance and watt wattage to compare GPU performance ?

What has "heavy meaning"?. My electricity bill is fixed, because I wanted it to be a fixed bill, rather than a stupidly disorganised bill, that could be charged within 3 month intervals and rack up. A fixed bill is more affordable for me, while still being able to use my two consoles and desktop, without any issues. 

LAN parties aren't old, plenty of gamers still do those on a yearly basis, and me and my friends doing it to this day, because well, we want to hang out and game for a few days, nothing wrong with that. There are times when I'd be able to visit my friend's house and hook up to their 4k OLED TV, or bring my own monitor, while he and my other friend go dual monitor. There are also times when I'd just hook my desktop to my TV downstairs in my liviingroom, though I vastly prefer my 144hz 1440p monitor, because 1440p 144hz is my sweet spot over 1080p 60hz.

I too understand how teraflops work, but that doesn't mean I have to keep blabbering about it, especially seeing as how talk of flops suddenly became a thing on console based gaming forums as little as 3 years ago. Simplicity sake won't make it so easy when you still do not grasp that flops do not equate to everything, as Pem has already told you guys.

How about sticking to the actual hz and general GPU VRAM for performance sake, rather than flops and wattage? (like forums have been using for eons)



Yes I'd still play on consoles. PC is too complicated to put together and it's too expensive to buy a pc that can compare to an xbox series x or ps5.



As the poll shows, games also in PC have no impact on the millions of strictly console gamers.

I would go so far to say that MSs approach with Xbox and PC day 1 is better then keeping games locked to one platform. The game is still a system seller because it isn’t on PlayStation. And those who don’t even plan to get an Xbox will buy the PC version.

MS found a way to get money from its customer base on top of taking money from people who don’t even like Xbox. But I doubt Sony will do the same, they seem to have a good thing going with their 1st party games.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

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Conina said:
HollyGamer said:

Well my answer is simple , i don't want to run 400 watt TDP GPU only to play 2D and and yes i will calle it 13 teraflop of GPu. Yes 13 teraflop, like it or not you need to accept teraflop is still exist. 

Also for small factor and form factor, i prefer putting my small, simple PS4 and slime PS4 in front of TV rather than my PC desktop. Which is very loud and generate a lot of Heat. I also use to play with my friend local gaming with my cousin. I dont want to bring PC also it has many work and job related content that i dont want to share to my family. And keeping in side my room.  

Which GPU have 400 watt TDP?

Even most 1080 Ti and 2080 TI models have 250 watt TDP, a few of them 300 watt TDP:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti,4972-6.html

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-founders-edition,5805-10.html

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gigabyte-aorus-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-xtreme-11g,5953-4.html

And when you use them "only to play in 2D", they will probably run in an idle mode with 10 - 100 watt (depending on the game) and the system will be more efficient than a console playing less demanding 2D games.

While the GPU idles or has only low workloads, many GPU models will also stop the fans and the already more silent PC (compared to most consoles) will get even quieter.

because my PC is not just consist of GPU thank you



Chazore said:
HollyGamer said:

It has heavy meaning especially i buy Nvidia for GPU and build PC for small electricity bill, i usually used Console more to save energy bill on playing for longer period of time and use it for Youtube as well  etc. ALso LAN party is very old LOL, Iused to play LAN but not anymore and it need a lot of monitor and PC's while with local gaming it's just need one hardware I choose to have simplicity for gaming in front of my living are TV. 

I understand about Teraflop more than you know how it works between each hardware and GPU  , pemalite already told me etc thank you for the advice i am will still use teraflop to compare GPU performance for the sake of simplicity. 

Ot perhaps you want to stick to TDP performance and watt wattage to compare GPU performance ?

What has "heavy meaning"?. My electricity bill is fixed, because I wanted it to be a fixed bill, rather than a stupidly disorganised bill, that could be charged within 3 month intervals and rack up. A fixed bill is more affordable for me, while still being able to use my two consoles and desktop, without any issues. 

LAN parties aren't old, plenty of gamers still do those on a yearly basis, and me and my friends doing it to this day, because well, we want to hang out and game for a few days, nothing wrong with that. There are times when I'd be able to visit my friend's house and hook up to their 4k OLED TV, or bring my own monitor, while he and my other friend go dual monitor. There are also times when I'd just hook my desktop to my TV downstairs in my liviingroom, though I vastly prefer my 144hz 1440p monitor, because 1440p 144hz is my sweet spot over 1080p 60hz.

I too understand how teraflops work, but that doesn't mean I have to keep blabbering about it, especially seeing as how talk of flops suddenly became a thing on console based gaming forums as little as 3 years ago. Simplicity sake won't make it so easy when you still do not grasp that flops do not equate to everything, as Pem has already told you guys.

How about sticking to the actual hz and general GPU VRAM for performance sake, rather than flops and wattage? (like forums have been using for eons)

Because i also use my PC for working and not just gaming . 

Lan party it's old it's a fact  , and nothing wrong with that  i never said it's wrong . It's just less and less games has Lan capability except old games and certain games like FPS and Real time strategy games. 

Also i never use Lan party because it a hassle and required more PC and monitor, more room and  add another electricity bill.  I prefer local multiplayer with just one console in single big TV. that's all

I never blabbering about Teraflop. I just simply said to just used as an exemplar not as definite thing. 

GPU Ram and core clock are definitely tied close to GPU performance. 



HollyGamer said:

Because i also use my PC for working and not just gaming . 

Lan party it's old it's a fact  , and nothing wrong with that  i never said it's wrong . It's just less and less games has Lan capability except old games and certain games like FPS and Real time strategy games. 

Also i never use Lan party because it a hassle and required more PC and monitor, more room and  add another electricity bill.  I prefer local multiplayer with just one console in single big TV. that's all

I never blabbering about Teraflop. I just simply said to just used as an exemplar not as definite thing. 

GPU Ram and core clock are definitely tied close to GPU performance. 

And I use mine for multiple purpose than just gaming.

It's not a fact it's old lol. Many do it to this day, there are even conventions for LAN parties, but I guess you think it's old, therefore no one should do it?. 

Well thanks to Valve, we can play local co-op games over the net now, so that's something unique and interesting on the PC side of things. 

Well yeah, you could also do local co-op games on a single PC, hooked up to a bigger monitor or TV, it's really not rocket science here. 

Well yes, you kept on using the word, and yet you weren't using it 3+ years ago, just like every other console gamer. Look at Ray Tracing, hardly anyone cared when PC was doing it, now it's "PS5/Xbox, will tX game have RT?", as if it didn't matter beforehand.

But yes, I tend to tie the Mhz and VRAM to GPU performance, because to me that makes more sense, it feels more accurate and it's what everyone's been using for decades now. 



Chazore said:
HollyGamer said:

Because i also use my PC for working and not just gaming . 

Lan party it's old it's a fact  , and nothing wrong with that  i never said it's wrong . It's just less and less games has Lan capability except old games and certain games like FPS and Real time strategy games. 

Also i never use Lan party because it a hassle and required more PC and monitor, more room and  add another electricity bill.  I prefer local multiplayer with just one console in single big TV. that's all

I never blabbering about Teraflop. I just simply said to just used as an exemplar not as definite thing. 

GPU Ram and core clock are definitely tied close to GPU performance. 

And I use mine for multiple purpose than just gaming.

It's not a fact it's old lol. Many do it to this day, there are even conventions for LAN parties, but I guess you think it's old, therefore no one should do it?. 

Well thanks to Valve, we can play local co-op games over the net now, so that's something unique and interesting on the PC side of things. 

Well yeah, you could also do local co-op games on a single PC, hooked up to a bigger monitor or TV, it's really not rocket science here. 

Well yes, you kept on using the word, and yet you weren't using it 3+ years ago, just like every other console gamer. Look at Ray Tracing, hardly anyone cared when PC was doing it, now it's "PS5/Xbox, will tX game have RT?", as if it didn't matter beforehand.

But yes, I tend to tie the Mhz and VRAM to GPU performance, because to me that makes more sense, it feels more accurate and it's what everyone's been using for decades now. 

That's why nothing to disagree on that part

It's old and it's a fact, many new PC games circa 2013 era  does not have  this function . It might be on some title but not mainstream anymore. Many PC player just play games using online instead of lan. And also LAN also still used in tournament and MOba . But in my country most PC cafe and gaming cafe just connected through Internet but never used with LAN cable.

I never said PC cannot hooked to PC. But my PC is big and i am tired to bring back and forth my big 10 KG PC desktop every time i playing video games into the living room, while my console can be lifted with my finger nail. I had done it before that's why i prefer console on my living room and keep my PC on my office. 

Teraflop was used back in 2010 ass well when PC introduce this metrix, and yes ray Tracing is  a thing now, because Nvidia introduce it. As long it can be measured using scientific method it can be used in words. nothing wrong with that. Clock speed and Vram , Floating point,  all connected to TDP. That's why every single GPU reviews always include with power wattage , TDP etc. 



I initially answered this thread with a "Hell No!"

But things are a lot more complicated than I first thought. I've been spending the last few days building up a Steam wishlist for upcoming games to play on my PC. I'm just flat out shocked by the number of games that have fucking Denuvo in them! Bandai Namco, Capcom, Sega, Square Enix, and Arc System Works, all use Denuvo in the vast majority of their games. Even if the Steam Store page doesn't say a game uses Denuvo, it's often hidden in the EULA. Here's a list of all Steam games with Denuvo...

https://store.steampowered.com/curator/26095454-Denuvo-Games/

In case you don't know Denuvo is always online DRM. So the second the servers for a game go down your copy is rendered unplayable. This is bullshit, and the type of dystopian nonsense I've feared would come to gaming for years. There are still lots of games on PC without Denuvo, but it seems like if I want to play certain games without ridiculous DRM shackes I'll have to get a console copy. Specifically, games out of Japan seem to have Denuvo almost guaranteed. Couple that with the fact that many Japanese titles are outright delayed on PC for up to a year, and I think I might still need to pick up a PS5.

Oh, and don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to argue in favor of consoles here. They have their own problems, such as the fact that you can't repair one easily. But fuck Draconian DRM!