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PotentHerbs said:

Imagine if Horizon 2 was announced as a cross gen game releasing in 2021. That would severely cripple the hype I have for it and I'm sure many feel the same way. The same people in here defending MS cross gen strategy, would absolutely shred Horizon 2 if it was cross gen, and for good reason.

Remember when CoD MW3 was ported to Wii, but no screens or video was revealed until it virtually launched. We just assumed it would be shit in comparison because 360 and PS3 were the leads.

The advertised version of Rise of the Tomb Raider was the X1 version, not the 360. The 360 version wasnt very polished, but it was fine.

Forza Horizon 2 looks great, even now. That somehow happened with a 360 version on the market.

A more recent example, MK11 on Switch wasnt really shown until launch. Its ugly, but its fine. Still looks great on my X1X in comparison, a vast disparity.

Hence, if Sony showed off Horizon 2, but only the PS5 version and it looked amazing. Would you really care a PS4 version is also a thing?



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PotentHerbs said:

Imagine if Horizon 2 was announced as a cross gen game releasing in 2021. That would severely cripple the hype I have for it and I'm sure many feel the same way. The same people in here defending MS cross gen strategy, would absolutely shred Horizon 2 if it was cross gen, and for good reason.

Halo: Infinite is one thing, since it was originally slated for the Xbox One, but you're telling me in 2021, AAA titles from XGS will be designed with the XOne as the baseline? Aren't we supposed to be seeing a huge leap in the CPU? Scaling a game graphically is one thing, game design is a whole other story.

I can understand yearly titles like MLB or FIFA, smaller AA titles, or third party games, to be cross gen for a few years, but tethering AAA titles to last generation hardware, especially internal studios from Sony/MS, would be depressing, considering how first party studios usually push console hardware to its limit.

I don’t think many of us that prefer Xbox here really give a shit about Horizon to shit post about it. Zelda is a much bigger deal and I don’t remember any big fuss there.



Mr Puggsly said:
PotentHerbs said:

Imagine if Horizon 2 was announced as a cross gen game releasing in 2021. That would severely cripple the hype I have for it and I'm sure many feel the same way. The same people in here defending MS cross gen strategy, would absolutely shred Horizon 2 if it was cross gen, and for good reason.

Remember when CoD MW3 was ported to Wii, but no screens or video was revealed until it virtually launched. We just assumed it would be shit in comparison because 360 and PS3 were the leads.

The advertised version of Rise of the Tomb Raider was the X1 version, not the 360. The 360 version wasnt very polished, but it was fine.

Forza Horizon 2 looks great, even now. That somehow happened with a 360 version on the market.

A more recent example, MK11 on Switch wasnt really shown until launch. Its ugly, but its fine. Still looks great on my X1X in comparison, a vast disparity.

Hence, if Sony showed off Horizon 2, but only the PS5 version and it looked amazing. Would you really care a PS4 version is also a thing?

Its not just a graphical downgrade.

Draw distance, amount of NPC's, load times, amount of enemies on screen, complex AI, etc, the CPU functions would be scaled down, impacting overall game design. 



LudicrousSpeed said:
PotentHerbs said:

Imagine if Horizon 2 was announced as a cross gen game releasing in 2021. That would severely cripple the hype I have for it and I'm sure many feel the same way. The same people in here defending MS cross gen strategy, would absolutely shred Horizon 2 if it was cross gen, and for good reason.

Halo: Infinite is one thing, since it was originally slated for the Xbox One, but you're telling me in 2021, AAA titles from XGS will be designed with the XOne as the baseline? Aren't we supposed to be seeing a huge leap in the CPU? Scaling a game graphically is one thing, game design is a whole other story.

I can understand yearly titles like MLB or FIFA, smaller AA titles, or third party games, to be cross gen for a few years, but tethering AAA titles to last generation hardware, especially internal studios from Sony/MS, would be depressing, considering how first party studios usually push console hardware to its limit.

I don’t think many of us that prefer Xbox here really give a shit about Horizon to shit post about it. Zelda is a much bigger deal and I don’t remember any big fuss there.

I doubt that. 



Mr Puggsly said:
twintail said:
It's not an unsound move. Though a lot depends on what Sony has during that timeframe, and whether MS games are going to be held back by older architecture.

Again, 9th gen could be treated as the lead while scaled back ports are developed for X1. Realistically that would only be about six AAA games over two years.

However, I am starting to wonder if this means Lockhart won't happen. The X1 and X1X might stick around for a bit as budget hardware.

If so, it would be a bad idea for MS to release a new console more expensive than PS5.

On a side note I think we are seeing Sony fans actually attacking MS for supporting a console too long. Historically Sony fans did the opposite.

Exactly. If the games are 9th gen scaled back then there should be no issue with performance, visuals etc. 

Criticism to this is strange. Nonetheless, Sony's support hasn't really been a cross gen one. They have usually made definite steps to show they next gen games were next gen only



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PotentHerbs said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Remember when CoD MW3 was ported to Wii, but no screens or video was revealed until it virtually launched. We just assumed it would be shit in comparison because 360 and PS3 were the leads.

The advertised version of Rise of the Tomb Raider was the X1 version, not the 360. The 360 version wasnt very polished, but it was fine.

Forza Horizon 2 looks great, even now. That somehow happened with a 360 version on the market.

A more recent example, MK11 on Switch wasnt really shown until launch. Its ugly, but its fine. Still looks great on my X1X in comparison, a vast disparity.

Hence, if Sony showed off Horizon 2, but only the PS5 version and it looked amazing. Would you really care a PS4 version is also a thing?

Its not just a graphical downgrade.

Draw distance, amount of NPC's, load times, amount of enemies on screen, complex AI, etc, the CPU functions would be scaled down, impacting overall game design. 

That's not necessarily true. There are plenty of 7th gen games that are bigger in scale and more complex than the average 8th gen game. I mean GTAV and Skyrim shouldnt exist on 7th gen if complex games required cutting edge specs.

Look at Crysis 1 on 7th gen. That was supposedly an impossible port but they got it done with much of the complex CPU demands mostly intact.

Is Forza Horizon 2 on 360 as complex as the lead X1 version? Nope, but its still good.

It just depends on the route they go. Your assumption is X1 will always be the lead. But it might be the opposite and X1 ports are scaled back in both graphics and features.



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twintail said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Again, 9th gen could be treated as the lead while scaled back ports are developed for X1. Realistically that would only be about six AAA games over two years.

However, I am starting to wonder if this means Lockhart won't happen. The X1 and X1X might stick around for a bit as budget hardware.

If so, it would be a bad idea for MS to release a new console more expensive than PS5.

On a side note I think we are seeing Sony fans actually attacking MS for supporting a console too long. Historically Sony fans did the opposite.

Exactly. If the games are 9th gen scaled back then there should be no issue with performance, visuals etc. 

Criticism to this is strange. Nonetheless, Sony's support hasn't really been a cross gen one. They have usually made definite steps to show they next gen games were next gen only

During the first two years of PS4 it was mostly just pushing graphics. Theit first game that really impressed me technically was Infamous:SS.

But for thr last two gens both MS and Sony quickly jumped to next gen for major content. Cross gen wasnt really as common but games scale easier now.

Last edited by Mr Puggsly - on 11 January 2020

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PotentHerbs said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

I don’t think many of us that prefer Xbox here really give a shit about Horizon to shit post about it. Zelda is a much bigger deal and I don’t remember any big fuss there.

I doubt that. 

Again, Zelda >>>>>>>> Horizon, and no fuss was made there. It’s ok, you can be wrong. 



On a side note, I think people are under the impression a game needs to cutting edge in every way to thrive in the market.

To that I say look at the most actively played games, few if any are truly impressive at this point.

GTAV is still popular and its last gen game design. MS is capable of making more ambitious games even if they were limited to X1 specs. Gears 5 demonstrated that and Halo Infinite should as well.



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Mr Puggsly said:
PotentHerbs said:

Its not just a graphical downgrade.

Draw distance, amount of NPC's, load times, amount of enemies on screen, complex AI, etc, the CPU functions would be scaled down, impacting overall game design. 

That's not necessarily true. There are plenty of 7th gen games that are bigger in scale and more complex than the average 8th gen game. I mean GTAV and Skyrim shouldnt exist on 7th gen if complex games required cutting edge specs.

Look at Crysis 1 on 7th gen. That was supposedly an impossible port but they got it done with much of the complex CPU demands mostly intact.

Is Forza Horizon 2 on 360 as complex as the lead X1 version? Nope, but its still good.

It just depends on the route they go. Your assumption is X1 will always be the lead. But it might be the opposite and X1 ports are scaled back in both graphics and features.

GTAV & Skyrim were still based on PS360 hardware. I wouldn't categorize GTAV/ Skyrim as the average 7th gen game either, since both these projects pushed the hardware to its limits, and the majority of 7th gen games didn't match their scope.

IIRC, The Last Guardian wouldn't be able to run on the PS3 because of its CPU bottlenecks. And this is an average looking game for 7th gen standards.

With all the supposed improvements of the SSD/CPU, the emphasis of no load times, from both Sony/MS, it seems like the complexity of gameplay/ game design are poised to jump dramatically.

But you're right, we'll see what developers prioritize.