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twintail said: 

Well they don't care because they have been forced to. Not like it matters, they have made the decision to push GamePass because they believe that is what the future will be. It may be, or it may not. It's too early to tell. 

and tbh, none of their games. bar Minceraft, will do anything remotely like Pokemon GO. That is a strange example because GamePass is most certainly not going to going to encourage massive spikes in game sales. 

And honestly, while I think what MS is doing is a positive thing, your final statement is incredibly random considering just how money Sony is making off PSN alone. If anything, Sony is probably still poised to make more money than what GamePass will bring MS. But we will see. Without hard info on the different consoles. lineups etc etc, its hard to tell who is making the more correct move, or the more beneficial one is perhaps more apt.

You want to think its based off that, and you are wrong. Win or lose in sales, only matter to fanboys, there is no winner or loser if both businesses are making profits. History lesson, the moment the OG Xbox released, MS tried pushing for Windows Live games, remember that? except back in the older days it was a lot harder to implement. Now that Windows 10 has become very compatible, MS are again pushing for greater success with bringing the PC and Console markets together. Xbox exists only to push Direct X and Subscribers, they don't care what PS earn, MS make money off PS anyway. Sony is not in bracket to threaten MS unlike Apple, Google and Amazon. Sony can continue to outsell Xbox while MS aim to open the market up and find that sweet spot of. 

Sony are also very limited in the console space, the console market is only so big and those subscribers can only be so high. Sure Sony are making more money than MS this gen and that isn't rocket science, however considering the entire gaming market, its peanuts to what Sony can actually be making. Why do you think Sony invited PSNow and brining there games to PC? They see the market too.

HollyGamer said:

Then why Microsoft are still making consoles??? PC and Cloud is more than enough isn't??? Or bring gamepass to Playstation or bring their games to Playstation community who has  million consumer

To have there toes also in the console market, To support there Direct X, To push subscribers, to gain profit from the console industry as well as other market spaces. Microsoft wont drop Xbox and be replaced by PlayStation because of one little thing, PSN. If PSN didn't exist than that might have been a possibility however PSN is a direct competitor to Live and without a home console to drive Live members, going PS, Sony will push PSN over Live and MS loses control. Having there own platform will support Live, GamePass and Xcloud in the console space.

HollyGamer said:
Barkley said:

Yep, they switched their strategy from selling consoles when their console didn't sell as well. Services and PC gaming started when their console sales disappointed.

"Console sales and figures are really only for fanboys" - Ridiculous

You can't claim software and service sales matter and then claim that hardware sales are "only for fanboys". Hardware sales are what drive the sales of software and services. MS can't sell Gold to people who don't own an Xbox. MS can't sell gamepass ultimate or console to people who don't own an Xbox. MS can't generate third party revenue from people who don't buy an Xbox. Hell with the release of their games on steam they can't even keep all of the revenue from their 1st party titles.

Console sales create a userbase that drives revenue and profits. There's a reason Playstation's profits are higher then they've ever been. They've got 106m consoles sold, generating money through 1st party and 3rd party software, and have 38.6m people subscribed to PS+.

Consoles sold = Users

Users = Money

Users on a locked system where you get revenue from third parties = even more money

Tell that to Steam.



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Azzanation said:

Win or lose in sales, only matter to fanboys.

Right, companies don't care about being the market leader...



Azzanation said:
twintail said: 

Well they don't care because they have been forced to. Not like it matters, they have made the decision to push GamePass because they believe that is what the future will be. It may be, or it may not. It's too early to tell. 

and tbh, none of their games. bar Minceraft, will do anything remotely like Pokemon GO. That is a strange example because GamePass is most certainly not going to going to encourage massive spikes in game sales. 

And honestly, while I think what MS is doing is a positive thing, your final statement is incredibly random considering just how money Sony is making off PSN alone. If anything, Sony is probably still poised to make more money than what GamePass will bring MS. But we will see. Without hard info on the different consoles. lineups etc etc, its hard to tell who is making the more correct move, or the more beneficial one is perhaps more apt.

You want to think its based off that, and you are wrong. Win or lose in sales, only matter to fanboys, there is no winner or loser if both businesses are making profits. History lesson, the moment the OG Xbox released, MS tried pushing for Windows Live games, remember that? except back in the older days it was a lot harder to implement. Now that Windows 10 has become very compatible, MS are again pushing for greater success with bringing the PC and Console markets together. Xbox exists only to push Direct X and Subscribers, they don't care what PS earn, MS make money off PS anyway. Sony is not in bracket to threaten MS unlike Apple, Google and Amazon. Sony can continue to outsell Xbox while MS aim to open the market up and find that sweet spot of. 

Sony are also very limited in the console space, the console market is only so big and those subscribers can only be so high. Sure Sony are making more money than MS this gen and that isn't rocket science, however considering the entire gaming market, its peanuts to what Sony can actually be making. Why do you think Sony invited PSNow and brining there games to PC? They see the market too.

HollyGamer said:

Then why Microsoft are still making consoles??? PC and Cloud is more than enough isn't??? Or bring gamepass to Playstation or bring their games to Playstation community who has  million consumer

To have there toes also in the console market, To support there Direct X, To push subscribers, to gain profit from the console industry as well as other market spaces. Microsoft wont drop Xbox and be replaced by PlayStation because of one little thing, PSN. If PSN didn't exist than that might have been a possibility however PSN is a direct competitor to Live and without a home console to drive Live members, going PS, Sony will push PSN over Live and MS loses control. Having there own platform will support Live, GamePass and Xcloud in the console space.

HollyGamer said:

Tell that to Steam.

Then how they able to support console if there is no console sales ? 

Also isn't directX is PC based  and not consoles?



Barkley said:

Yep, they switched their strategy from selling consoles when their console didn't sell as well. Services and PC gaming started when their console sales disappointed.

"Console sales and figures are really only for fanboys" - Ridiculous

You can't claim software and service sales matter and then claim that hardware sales are "only for fanboys". Hardware sales are what drive the sales of software and services. MS can't sell Gold to people who don't own an Xbox. MS can't sell gamepass ultimate or console to people who don't own an Xbox. MS can't generate third party revenue from people who don't buy an Xbox. Hell with the release of their games on steam they can't even keep all of the revenue from their 1st party titles.

Console sales create a userbase that drives revenue and profits. There's a reason Playstation's profits are higher then they've ever been. They've got 106m consoles sold, generating money through 1st party and 3rd party software, and have 38.6m people subscribed to PS+.

Consoles sold = Users

Users = Money

Users on a locked system where you get revenue from third parties = even more money

"Console sales and figures are really only for fanboys" - Ridiculous

This will always be ridiculous, it remains nothing more than for fanboys to flex there muscles. You can sell Live to those without an Xbox, you can sell GamePass without an Xbox and you can continue to generate third party revenue without an Xbox, that is not impossible. Its called a market, it doesn't just revolve around the console industry and the main big 3 brands. The Mobile market alone is huge and dwarfs the console market. The PC market also continues to grow, just ask Valve how they do it without dedicated Hardware.

MS are big enough to compete on all fronts, hence the Xbox Console, Hence the PC market support, hence multiple device direction and Streaming. They want more money than just 100m consoles sold and 40m Subs, they want the billions of other gamers out there, MS are a mega corp and mega corps always aim big. The console industry tends to cap out around the 200m to 300m gamer mark. If you think the PS5 is going to double the PS4 sales and subscribers than that's wishful thinking not with the other markets growing. Lets wait on that one, I will gladly admit I am wrong if the PS5 sells 200m consoles next gen.



Azzanation said:

"Console sales and figures are really only for fanboys" - Ridiculous

This will always be ridiculous, it remains nothing more than for fanboys to flex there muscles. You can sell Live to those without an Xbox, you can sell GamePass without an Xbox and you can continue to generate third party revenue without an Xbox, that is not impossible. Its called a market, it doesn't just revolve around the console industry and the main big 3 brands. The Mobile market alone is huge and dwarfs the console market. The PC market also continues to grow, just ask Valve how they do it without dedicated Hardware.

MS are big enough to compete on all fronts, hence the Xbox Console, Hence the PC market support, hence multiple device direction and Streaming. They want more money than just 100m consoles sold and 40m Subs, they want the billions of other gamers out there, MS are a mega corp and mega corps always aim big. The console industry tends to cap out around the 200m to 300m gamer mark. If you think the PS5 is going to double the PS4 sales and subscribers than that's wishful thinking not with the other markets growing. Lets wait on that one, I will gladly admit I am wrong if the PS5 sells 200m consoles next gen.

"You can sell Live to those without an Xbox" - You don't 'sell live' you sell Gold. You can't sell gold to people without an Xbox.

"You can sell GamePass without an Xbox" - You can sell Gamepass for PC, not the more expensive and profitable Gamepass Ultimate.

"You can continue to generate third party revenue without an Xbox" - With a closed system like the PlayStation/Xbox/Switch third parties are forced to release their titles through your platform. Without a console third parties are not forced to do anything. Uplay, Origin, Battle.net - publishers own services. Third parties aren't selling their games on the Microsoft Store, they're not even all selling their games through steam.

There is plenty of money to be made on PC and Mobile, more than to be made on console, but the competition is insane.

MS would be far more likely to dominate the console market then make even a dent in the PC market. Steam is never going anywhere and publishers will continue to push their own services.

PlayStation has 103m MAU's that all generate 1st party software, third party software and service revenue.

Xbox Live has 65m MAU's accross Xbox and PC, the PC only users not generating third party software revenue and only being sold the cheaper PC gamepass.

PS4 has sold 1.15 Billion games, good luck getting that many sales on PC if you're not called steam.

Consoles is the only way MS are going to make money from the likes of GTA, Assassins Creed, CoD, Battlefield... etc

Last edited by Barkley - on 12 January 2020

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HollyGamer said:

Then how they able to support console if there is no console sales ? 

Also isn't directX is PC based  and not consoles?

The industry is moving away from hardware, sure we have next gen consoles however Digital media and Streaming is growing rapidly. Its only a matter of time when consumers start realizing you don't need to spend big dollars on a console to play big IP video games.

Xbox was originally named DirectX Box. It was meant to push DirectX into the console market.

History of Xbox

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtejBKHVppU

This is a good watch and educational.



Azzanation said:
HollyGamer said:

Then how they able to support console if there is no console sales ? 

Also isn't directX is PC based  and not consoles?

The industry is moving away from hardware, sure we have next gen consoles however Digital media and Streaming is growing rapidly. Its only a matter of time when consumers start realizing you don't need to spend big dollars on a console to play big IP video games.

Xbox was originally named DirectX Box. It was meant to push DirectX into the console market.

History of Xbox

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtejBKHVppU

This is a good watch and educational.

you still not answering  my question, if consoles is not important why Microsoft still producing consoles and making next gen console? you make a contradiction in your statement .

And how consoles able to push directX if you already able to play Xbox games/ directX games on PC? 



Barkley said:

"You can sell Live to those without an Xbox" - You don't 'sell live' you sell Gold. You can't sell gold to people without an Xbox.

"You can sell GamePass without an Xbox" - You can sell Gamepass for PC, not the more expensive and profitable Gamepass Ultimate.

"You can continue to generate third party revenue without an Xbox" - With a closed system like the PlayStation/Xbox/Switch third parties are forced to release their titles through your platform. Without a console third parties are not forced to do anything. Uplay, Origin, Battle.net - publishers own services. Third parties aren't selling their games on the Microsoft Store, they're not even all selling their games through steam.

There is plenty of money to be made on PC and Mobile, more than to be made on console, but the competition is insane.

MS would be far more likely to dominate the console market then make even a dent in the PC market. Steam is never going anywhere and publishers will continue to push their own services.

PlayStation has 103m MAU's that all generate 1st party software, third party software and service revenue.

Xbox Live has 65m MAU's accross Xbox and PC, the PC only users not generating third party software revenue and only being sold the cheaper PC gamepass.

PS4 has sold 1.15 Billion games, good luck getting that many sales on PC if you're not called steam.

That's why MS is supporting Steam, Steam is massive and holds one of the biggest communities. They wouldn't be releasing games like Gears 5 on Steam if Console sales means more than Software sales.

Sony did great this gen, 103m MAU's is huge, however that number will always flatulate depending on the generation, its not always a guarantee to have that many, next gen they could have less and they could also have more however to break the 200m MAU isn't something I believe can be achieved by just having a console. Personally I believe Sony has hit its Cap of MAUs, I cannot see the potential of getting 200m without the help of other options. Now that is just my opinion.

MS didn't do as well this generation, they fell behind.. however 65m MAU's doesn't mean the potential isn't there, there is already enough proof that veering out into other markets that the MAU can grow immensely. If MS supply the games and doesn't trip over at launch with good marketing than lets judge there business decisions and see if it works. Steam already proves you can have more than 100m MAU's without dedicated hardware. 

1.15b games sold is a lot and Steam will only help push those figures even further. 



HollyGamer said:

you still not answering  my question, if consoles is not important why Microsoft still producing consoles and making next gen console? you make a contradiction in your statement .

And how consoles able to push directX if you already able to play Xbox games/ directX games on PC? 

I did answer your question, did you choose to not read it.

Ill post my reply again.

*To have there toes also in the console market, To support there Direct X, To push subscribers, to gain profit from the console industry as well as other market spaces. Microsoft wont drop Xbox and be replaced by PlayStation because of one little thing, PSN. If PSN didn't exist than that might have been a possibility however PSN is a direct competitor to Live and without a home console to drive Live members, going PS, Sony will push PSN over Live and MS loses control. Having there own platform will support Live, GamePass and Xcloud in the console space.*



Azzanation said:

That's why MS is supporting Steam, Steam is massive and holds one of the biggest communities. They wouldn't be releasing games like Gears 5 on Steam if Console sales means more than Software sales.

Sony did great this gen, 103m MAU's is huge, however that number will always flatulate depending on the generation, its not always a guarantee to have that many, next gen they could have less and they could also have more however to break the 200m MAU isn't something I believe can be achieved by just having a console. Personally I believe Sony has hit its Cap of MAUs, I cannot see the potential of getting 200m without the help of other options. Now that is just my opinion.

I don't disagree with your premise that MAU's is limited by just being on consoles compared to being elsewhere as well. What I completely disagree with is the idea that "Console sales and figures are really only for fanboys" or "it remains nothing more than for fanboys to flex there muscles."

That there is a larger userbase outside of consoles doesn't mean that console sales are suddenly not incredibly valuable. It also doesn't meant that a company suddenly doesn't care about selling consoles.