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What would you rate Sword & Shield?

1 5 7.46%
 
2 0 0.00%
 
3 1 1.49%
 
4 3 4.48%
 
5 6 8.96%
 
6 8 11.94%
 
7 10 14.93%
 
8 25 37.31%
 
9 6 8.96%
 
10 3 4.48%
 
Total:67

Something between 6-7/10. So not good, but not terrible. Just mediocre. I would def. say I'd place them below the average of the franchise. 

On the positive side, I think the atmosphere is great, the gym challenge and championship tournament feel more important than ever in a major way. Which is - for me at least - the greatest virtue this gen has, since this does a lot of the heavy lifting in the overall experience. Dynamaxing is an actual good feature and  breeding pokemons to get your "Ideal" team is as accesible as its ever been. TRs are also a good feature IMO. And the Wild Area - while I do have some nitpicks on it - Its another overall great addition I hope they replicate in a bigger scale for future games.

On the negative side, really horrible graphics for "the first home console hd pokemon game", way too many interactions with supporting characters that add zero depth to story or progress - which already is a very weak story to begin with - Team Yell should not have  been part of the game at all and the game wouldve kept the same quality IMO, they add nothing. The final "antagonist" of the game feels rushed and unnecesary, which I guess adds to the negatives of the story. 400 pokemons is way too little for today's expectations/metagame and it screwed up the competitive game - specially because they chose to leave behind many popular choices, but I guess this wont matter if you are casual fan. And I'd agree that the Post-game is really limited - not to say bad - But I do think most games have a really mediocre post-game so all in all is what I expected

There are other thing I could nitpick like not being able to turn off the exp share or very few trainers to fight againts (which I guess is the reasoning behind the exp share thing) but those are thing you end up getting used to, so all in all not that great of a pokemon gen, but def. no the worst experience I've had this year. 

Either way this is a very divisive franchise so if you have played the previous ones you should give it a go just to judge for yourself. 



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MasonADC said:
It is not bad at all, just like all the other mainline Pokémon games. Not stellar, but still a solid 8.

Probably this. Though granted I have no idea how the other games were outside of the originals. I had Red back in the day, and Sword is my second Pokemon game. Red was very cool cuz Pokemon was brand new, but I imagine I would have roughly the above view (not stellar, but a solid 8) about the other gens cuz Pokemon seems to stick with what has always worked and not go outside the box too much.

So Sword has been fun, but I'd put most of the really good single player games on Switch that I've played through like Odyssey, Mario+Rabbids, Axiom Verge, and Celeste above Pokemon. It's a solid 8. It does offer plenty of play though. I'm not even half way into the game yet (have 3 gym badges) after almost 25 hours and I don't even feel like I've been trying to go slow or grind or anything (also certainly haven't been trying to go fast at all, just been taking my time as feels natural to the game). It'll probably be 60 hours before I beat it without going out of my way to "catch 'em all" and the like.

My main gripe would be that trainers and the gym battles should be harder, mostly they just don't have enough pokemon to fight with and they could easily be harder by giving them more than just the 1, 2, or 3 pokemon I've encountered in battles so far. Challenge makes games fun and rewarding and its really not challenging at all to beat the trainers or even gym leaders because you're fighting 6 pokemon against far fewer, and even if that changes later in the game, I would have expected by now to at least be facing people with like 5 pokemon instead of 3 at most.

So yeah, not stellar, but a solid 8 that offers plenty of play time.

Also, not being someone who has played every generation, I don't give a crap about the whole dex issue. Had no idea the other games even allowed that before I heard people were complaining about it. Though it is nice to hear they are adding in more pokemon now I guess. Graphics are fine, gameplay is fine, it's a fine game and I am enjoying it but I am in no way blown away by it. They didn't BotW or Odyssey it and really blow things away for the first console Pokemon game, they seem to have just stuck with the normal formula and given another solid Pokemon experience that Pokemon fans will enjoy as long as they aren't super nitpicky.



garretslarrity said:

So I've played nearly every main series Pokemon game. But I haven't picked up Sword or Shield. I'm among those who were pissed off about Dexit, and I got the impression that S&S were rushed, low-quality games with little effort put into them (OoT tree comes to mind here). Plus, I felt that buying the game would just be rewarding the anti-consumer behavior Game Freak is known for. Well it seems like I was voted out on that last point (though I'm curious to see the Q4 sales when they get released), and I've lately become less concerned about the National Dex.

Then today's Pokemon Direct made me feel better about the games. I'm thrilled that they're finally abandoning the third version in favor of DLC (and I especially appreciate that they were quite direct about it). So then the only question that remains is how good are they? Are they good enough to warrant a $60 price? Or are they only worth it if you can get it for less? $40? $30? Would most appreciate comments from those who, like me, have played most games in the series, and have had time to digest Sword and Shield. Thanks!

It really depends on what you're looking for in the game.  I found the single player to be lackluster.  If you play mainly for the single player campaign its a bit short, and honestly feels more like an primer for the multiplayer than a full fledged campaign.

I like the multiplayer a lot better than previous games.  The wild area serves as a fun way to get a lot of the rarer Pokemon you might want, and there are a bunch of qol changes to make it less grindy to raise new mon. 

So if you're mainly a single player player, then I think it's worse than the other games, but for multiplayer gamers you may like it better.

Cerebralbore101 said:
Main game is an 8/10. Post game is a 7/10. I voted 7/10. The competitive aspect is crap compared to previous games. This is because Dynamaxing breaks the game, and too many OU staples got cut in Dexit. Dynamaxing doubles a poke'mon's HP, and let's them do 120 power STAB moves that massively buff their stats. Way too many OU staples were cut from the game, which effectively cut the meta in half. What new poke'mon they brought into the game either couldn't fill the vacuum or were seriously overpowered to the point of being Ubers tier.

Anyway the result is that most teams just consist of abusing Dynamaxed Hawlucha, or Dynamaxed Gyrados. And if they aren't running that they are running the OP fossils that hit you for over 300 power stab moves.

I really haven't had much problems with those strats.  I see Gyarados a lot more than I see Hawlucha but there's lots of ways to counter it.  One of my favorites is Mimikyu.  Since they're expecting your basic swords dance set, they're probably not going to Dragondance on you, which slows their set up or forces them to Dynamax.  Instead, use trick with either Iron ball (or flame orb if you like).  Mimikyu's likely going to die in the process, but it will leave them as easy pickings for the electric Pokemon I assume you have on your team.  Could also just as easily be deployed against either of the fossil Pokemon.  And as an added bonus it also takes away cursola's eviolite which makes it much easier to deal with.  

Just one example.  I kind of like Dynamaxing because it eliminates a lot of stall strategies.  And I like it better than mega evolutions, since I find a lot of those more broken, and with dynamax they're at least limited to three turns, and a limited set of offensive options.  The jury is still out on whether it's good overall cause the meta is still young.  You can download different rulesets, so hopefully a non-dynamax option will be made available for those who are more traditional.



Slownenberg said:
MasonADC said:
It is not bad at all, just like all the other mainline Pokémon games. Not stellar, but still a solid 8.

Probably this. Though granted I have no idea how the other games were outside of the originals. I had Red back in the day, and Sword is my second Pokemon game. Red was very cool cuz Pokemon was brand new, but I imagine I would have roughly the above view (not stellar, but a solid 8) about the other gens cuz Pokemon seems to stick with what has always worked and not go outside the box too much.

So Sword has been fun, but I'd put most of the really good single player games on Switch that I've played through like Odyssey, Mario+Rabbids, Axiom Verge, and Celeste above Pokemon. It's a solid 8. It does offer plenty of play though. I'm not even half way into the game yet (have 3 gym badges) after almost 25 hours and I don't even feel like I've been trying to go slow or grind or anything (also certainly haven't been trying to go fast at all, just been taking my time as feels natural to the game). It'll probably be 60 hours before I beat it without going out of my way to "catch 'em all" and the like.

My main gripe would be that trainers and the gym battles should be harder, mostly they just don't have enough pokemon to fight with and they could easily be harder by giving them more than just the 1, 2, or 3 pokemon I've encountered in battles so far. Challenge makes games fun and rewarding and its really not challenging at all to beat the trainers or even gym leaders because you're fighting 6 pokemon against far fewer, and even if that changes later in the game, I would have expected by now to at least be facing people with like 5 pokemon instead of 3 at most.

So yeah, not stellar, but a solid 8 that offers plenty of play time.

Also, not being someone who has played every generation, I don't give a crap about the whole dex issue. Had no idea the other games even allowed that before I heard people were complaining about it. Though it is nice to hear they are adding in more pokemon now I guess. Graphics are fine, gameplay is fine, it's a fine game and I am enjoying it but I am in no way blown away by it. They didn't BotW or Odyssey it and really blow things away for the first console Pokemon game, they seem to have just stuck with the normal formula and given another solid Pokemon experience that Pokemon fans will enjoy as long as they aren't super nitpicky.

25 hours and you're three gyms in?  Pretty sure I was done at that point.  Guess that's why they call you SLOWnenberg :p



Pretty bad, it's Pokemon for toddlers. Not one bit challenging, i was mostly using 1 or 2 pokemon max for the duration of the play time



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Sticking with my review I wrote for the site, I'd give it a 7/10 :P

Not bad but very very average. Has that same fun feel of Pokemon for the most part, but doesn't do a ton to excel outside of the Wild Areas and somewhat more robust online. Just feels like a marginal step up rather than the major one I was hoping for.



 

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I find the "It sucks there's not 700-7000 different Pokemon in it" sort of arguments to be hilarious.

That's as bad as the "too much water" complaint you guys have.

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8/10

Don't believe the hate. It's not the best Pokemon ever, but a lot of quality of life adjustments have made it a better experience. Camps are fun to interact with Pokemon, experience share makes leveling up a lot more enjoyable, some non traditional plot structures take place, and this game has pretty good designs for the new Pokemon. Seeing Pokemon roam around the world makes it more enjoyable as well as I could pick and choose which I wanted to battle. I don't get people complaining about them not having all the Pokemon for a few of reasons.

1) The power jump between Gameboy -- GB Color -- GBA -- DS -- 3DS is a joke compared to 3DS -- Switch.

2) There is a LOT of Pokemon with terrible ugly designs out there. They needed to cut the fat.

3) It actually makes you use and enjoy the new Pokemon more since you don't have as much of the temptation to simply build a roster you used in past ges.

Dynamax is fun and very pretty. I still like Mega Evolution better but it is far better than Z move nonsense from Sun/Moon.



think-man said:
Pretty bad, it's Pokemon for toddlers. Not one bit challenging, i was mostly using 1 or 2 pokemon max for the duration of the play time

If we are judging Pokémon quality based on how difficult it is, what Pokémon game IS good? They all are so easy



garretslarrity said:

Then today's Pokemon Direct made me feel better about the games. I'm thrilled that they're finally abandoning the third version in favor of DLC (and I especially appreciate that they were quite direct about it).

But, why? You don't have Sw/Sh yet, so if they did a typical 3rd version, you'd only have to pay $60 for a more complete game rather than $90.