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HigHurtenflurst said:

Sony used to report regional breakdowns so the early figures on wiki will be from those... they did it in quarterly reports back in 2002 (on the wiki page for PS2 you can see it has new rows every 3 months... then after that it gets updated either when Sony made press releases or once per fiscal year.

Early in PS3 life they stopped reporting shipment numbers at all (for fiscal reports it's not a legal requirement as it's about revenue & profits, not unit sales) apart from the occasional press release with global milestone totals.

Actually just found some better shipment data for Sony, it has FY2008 to 2011 broken down by quarter: Here
If you open the FY2001-2011 consolidated data spreadsheet, then go to the P50 & P51 sheets that's the best shipment data I have seen from Sony in that period.

Wow! Thank you very much @HigHurtenflurst This is awesome! it is a bunch of data, but I can use it to double check a little bit of the other sources to see if they are accurate. 



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dmillos said:

Now to find Sega! and why not, lets search for Atari as well. :)

Found this for Sega, only goes back to FY2000 (ending March 2000) but does mean it has Dreamcast, but I doubt I will be able to find any concrete info on older Sega or Atari.

No handy to read tables in the reports, but from the FY2000 I got this:

Dreamcast shipments:
Japan - 950,000
USA - 2,500,000
Europe - 1,040,000
Other - 160,000

Total - 4,650,000

It also states that the cumulative total is 5,550,000 which means the year ending March 1999 it shipped 900,000 (I believe it was Japan only at the time)

Then in the next report for FY2001 I got this:

Dreamcast shipments:
Japan - 470,000
USA - 1,780,000
Europe - 930,000
Other - 210,000

Total - 3,390,000


They discontinued the DC in Jan 2001, but they had some inventory left to sell for the following FY 2002 I just can't find where it states how many... The total of what I found above comes to 8,940,000 though, and if regular Wikipedia total of 9.13mil is correct, then it would be 190,000, but in the same Wiki is states estimated remaining inventory as of April 2001 was ~900,000, so kinda conflicting.

So year ending:
31/03/1999 = 900,000 (Japan only)
31/03/2000 = 4,650,000
31/03/2001 = 3,390,000
31/03/2002 = 190,000 or ~900,000 (based on Wikipedia LTD only)



HigHurtenflurst said:

Found this for Sega, only goes back to FY2000 (ending March 2000) but does mean it has Dreamcast, but I doubt I will be able to find any concrete info on older Sega or Atari.

No handy to read tables in the reports, but from the FY2000 I got this:

Dreamcast shipments:
Japan - 950,000
USA - 2,500,000
Europe - 1,040,000
Other - 160,000

Total - 4,650,000

It also states that the cumulative total is 5,550,000 which means the year ending March 1999 it shipped 900,000 (I believe it was Japan only at the time)

Then in the next report for FY2001 I got this:

Dreamcast shipments:
Japan - 470,000
USA - 1,780,000
Europe - 930,000
Other - 210,000

Total - 3,390,000


They discontinued the DC in Jan 2001, but they had some inventory left to sell for the following FY 2002 I just can't find where it states how many... The total of what I found above comes to 8,940,000 though, and if regular Wikipedia total of 9.13mil is correct, then it would be 190,000, but in the same Wiki is states estimated remaining inventory as of April 2001 was ~900,000, so kinda conflicting.

So year ending:
31/03/1999 = 900,000 (Japan only)
31/03/2000 = 4,650,000
31/03/2001 = 3,390,000
31/03/2002 = 190,000 or ~900,000 (based on Wikipedia LTD only)

As always, thank you very much @HigHurtenflurst for your time. it definitely seems tougher to find data for these older consoles so I appreciate your insights.

I remember the dreamcast, I think it was maybe a bit ahead of its time. At the moment I remember being amazed at its internet capabilities. Too bad it was basically a WiiU, but unfortunately there wasn't a Switch to save them.



Week 50 Breakdown:

PlayStation 4: Down in all regions.
Xbox One: Down in all regions.
Nintendo Switch: Up in Europe and Rest of the World; Down in the U.S. and Japan; Up overall.

I’m too drunk right now to make projections.(Had a wild night tonight.) I’ll do it tomorrow.



PAOerfulone said:

Nintendo Switch: Up in Europe and Rest of the World; Down in the U.S. and Japan; Up overall.

Interesting that Europe and ROTW, not typically Switch's strongest markets, are able to overpower the US and Japan and keep it up overall.



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curl-6 said:
PAOerfulone said:

Nintendo Switch: Up in Europe and Rest of the World; Down in the U.S. and Japan; Up overall.

Interesting that Europe and ROTW, not typically Switch's strongest markets, are able to overpower the US and Japan and keep it up overall.

Latest shipments figures from Nintendo shows

Americas ~ EU+ ROTW

EU ~ Japan

EU + Rotw > Japan

So it's not really out of the ordinary.



curl-6 said:
PAOerfulone said:

Nintendo Switch: Up in Europe and Rest of the World; Down in the U.S. and Japan; Up overall.

Interesting that Europe and ROTW, not typically Switch's strongest markets, are able to overpower the US and Japan and keep it up overall.

What I find interesting in RoW is that this year's sales are almost as big as those from 2017-2019 combined in those regions. Switch stays at ~9.55M total in RoW (which puts it already on the 6th spot, in front of the Wii and less than 3M behind the DS, the bestselling Nintendo hardware in RoW so far) while this year so far over 4.5M have been sold already.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
curl-6 said:

Interesting that Europe and ROTW, not typically Switch's strongest markets, are able to overpower the US and Japan and keep it up overall.

What I find interesting in RoW is that this year's sales are almost as big as those from 2017-2019 combined in those regions. Switch stays at ~9.55M total in RoW (which puts it already on the 6th spot, in front of the Wii and less than 3M behind the DS, the bestselling Nintendo hardware in RoW so far) while this year so far over 4.5M have been sold already.

I didn't realize Switch was already second only to DS as far as Nintendo systems in ROTW.

Goes to show I suppose that while Nintendo does have room to improve in ROTW compared to their strength in Japan and America, they are already making said improvement compared to their past systems.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
curl-6 said:

Interesting that Europe and ROTW, not typically Switch's strongest markets, are able to overpower the US and Japan and keep it up overall.

What I find interesting in RoW is that this year's sales are almost as big as those from 2017-2019 combined in those regions. Switch stays at ~9.55M total in RoW (which puts it already on the 6th spot, in front of the Wii and less than 3M behind the DS, the bestselling Nintendo hardware in RoW so far) while this year so far over 4.5M have been sold already.

Hi @@Bofferbrauer Very insightful piece of data, I wonder how much of this can be attributed to China. This can definitely be a game changer for console sales records.



dmillos said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

What I find interesting in RoW is that this year's sales are almost as big as those from 2017-2019 combined in those regions. Switch stays at ~9.55M total in RoW (which puts it already on the 6th spot, in front of the Wii and less than 3M behind the DS, the bestselling Nintendo hardware in RoW so far) while this year so far over 4.5M have been sold already.

Hi @@Bofferbrauer Very insightful piece of data, I wonder how much of this can be attributed to China. This can definitely be a game changer for console sales records.

china is the 4th market for Nintendo ( the rumors) 

US

JP

France

China.