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LudicrousSpeed said:
JRPGfan said:

Thats waaay to big a buy isnt it?

That said, I'd love to see Sony take over Bethesda Game Studios.

Sometimes new management is all thats needed, to get things back on track,
and I suspect Bethesda is one of those companys that could benefit from it.

Elder Scrolls Online + Fallout 76 = garbage.

Bethasda has lost its way.

Its too focused on all the wrong things, way to focused on penny pinching, and exploiting consumers.
Sony takeing over, and new engine + a belief in single player focused gameing, and not screwing over consumers.
Suddenly Elderscrolls is back and Fallout too, as their ment to be.

No offense but what is this nonsense? For starters, Bethesda didn't make ESO. Secondly as shitty as Fallout 76 is, it shouldn't outweigh all the other stuff not only Bethesda as a studio has done but the Bethesda publishing brand has done amazing work this gen. For a forum and user who constantly complains about the online aspect of modern publishing, you'd really "love" to see Sony buy a huge company that is in no financial stress whatsoever? A company who makes tons of great single player games? Seems to be conflicting messages. Or is it ok so long as they're exclusive to Playstation?

Quake Champions
Rage 2
Doom
Doom Eternal
Five Wolfenstein games
Dishonored 2
Prey
Evil Within 1 and 2

Among others I'm probably missing. All quality games with meaty SP and no forced MP or "screwing over consumers". Well except Quake, obviously. It's MP.

But you'd "love" to see this all walled off and only available to PS users? Fucking yikes. Would be a bad move for gamers and the industry. At least with the other studios being bought recently, there was already a great almost de facto standard working situation like Insomniac or Playground, or it was a developer clearly in need of financial relief like Ninja Theory or Double Fine.

When it was Sony it was a bad move for gamers and the industry, when it's MS it's incredible news for everybody: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9218899

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BraLoD said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

No offense but what is this nonsense? For starters, Bethesda didn't make ESO. Secondly as shitty as Fallout 76 is, it shouldn't outweigh all the other stuff not only Bethesda as a studio has done but the Bethesda publishing brand has done amazing work this gen. For a forum and user who constantly complains about the online aspect of modern publishing, you'd really "love" to see Sony buy a huge company that is in no financial stress whatsoever? A company who makes tons of great single player games? Seems to be conflicting messages. Or is it ok so long as they're exclusive to Playstation?

Quake Champions
Rage 2
Doom
Doom Eternal
Five Wolfenstein games
Dishonored 2
Prey
Evil Within 1 and 2

Among others I'm probably missing. All quality games with meaty SP and no forced MP or "screwing over consumers". Well except Quake, obviously. It's MP.

But you'd "love" to see this all walled off and only available to PS users? Fucking yikes. Would be a bad move for gamers and the industry. At least with the other studios being bought recently, there was already a great almost de facto standard working situation like Insomniac or Playground, or it was a developer clearly in need of financial relief like Ninja Theory or Double Fine.

When it was Sony it was a bad move for gamers and the industry, when it's MS it's incredible news for everybody: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9218899

As neutral as always.

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EspadaGrim said:
Vodacixi said:
I'm not familiar with the amount of money Sony is sitting on... So I have to ask: Would they even be able to pay 7.500 million dollars just like Microsoft did?

Could Sony afford to buy Zenimax at 7.5 Billion? yes they could but they only have like what over 30 billion in cash? Spending nearly 1/3 of your cash reserves would not be a smart move for a company especially when Sony as whole were not doing so well a couple of years back.

In terms of Cash and Cash Equivalent, it's 1.4T yen or 13.7 billion. This doesn't include marketable securities or other liquid assets. Keep in mind this is for all of their divisions, not just gaming. In theory, yes, Sony could have bought Zenimax, but it would have not been a financially sound decision for them. Most likely, the rumor of Sony buying them was bogus. 

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BraLoD said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

No offense but what is this nonsense? For starters, Bethesda didn't make ESO. Secondly as shitty as Fallout 76 is, it shouldn't outweigh all the other stuff not only Bethesda as a studio has done but the Bethesda publishing brand has done amazing work this gen. For a forum and user who constantly complains about the online aspect of modern publishing, you'd really "love" to see Sony buy a huge company that is in no financial stress whatsoever? A company who makes tons of great single player games? Seems to be conflicting messages. Or is it ok so long as they're exclusive to Playstation?

Quake Champions
Rage 2
Doom
Doom Eternal
Five Wolfenstein games
Dishonored 2
Prey
Evil Within 1 and 2

Among others I'm probably missing. All quality games with meaty SP and no forced MP or "screwing over consumers". Well except Quake, obviously. It's MP.

But you'd "love" to see this all walled off and only available to PS users? Fucking yikes. Would be a bad move for gamers and the industry. At least with the other studios being bought recently, there was already a great almost de facto standard working situation like Insomniac or Playground, or it was a developer clearly in need of financial relief like Ninja Theory or Double Fine.

When it was Sony it was a bad move for gamers and the industry, when it's MS it's incredible news for everybody: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9218899

As neutral as always.

he mentions its bad if its walled of in his recent post he even mentions ps5 games at 70,-,thus not walled of are u obtuse on purpose?



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ClassicGamingWizzz said:
chakkra said:

lol I don't want to point any finger but I think this post by DonFerrari was the trigger:

"But every gen we get MS fans to claim MS will use their money to buy the win in that gen, never happened, never will."

You think with all these buys Microsoft did they Will win the GEN?

Higher possibility we will go back to the 360 days of selective global domination.

Xbox: North and South America, UK, Russia, Australia/New Zealand. 

Sony: Mainland Europe and most of Asia. Overall more global units moved.

But then you have Xbox competing in ways Sony largely isn’t doing. All games releasing on Windows and Steam and all Android phones/tablets via Xcloud. Xbox will sell less consoles but the brand can very much be bigger then Sony putting all their efforts into console only. 

That said I would be happy with this selective domination, most users typing in English on the internet tend to live in a country that will be dominated by Xbox. Bragging about PS5 selling well in Japan doesn’t mean much when your brand is losing in your own backyard (country). 



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DonFerrari was really against the idea of MS doing something like this haha. It’s ok, nobody could have seen this coming.

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BraLoD said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

No offense but what is this nonsense? For starters, Bethesda didn't make ESO. Secondly as shitty as Fallout 76 is, it shouldn't outweigh all the other stuff not only Bethesda as a studio has done but the Bethesda publishing brand has done amazing work this gen. For a forum and user who constantly complains about the online aspect of modern publishing, you'd really "love" to see Sony buy a huge company that is in no financial stress whatsoever? A company who makes tons of great single player games? Seems to be conflicting messages. Or is it ok so long as they're exclusive to Playstation?

Quake Champions
Rage 2
Doom
Doom Eternal
Five Wolfenstein games
Dishonored 2
Prey
Evil Within 1 and 2

Among others I'm probably missing. All quality games with meaty SP and no forced MP or "screwing over consumers". Well except Quake, obviously. It's MP.

But you'd "love" to see this all walled off and only available to PS users? Fucking yikes. Would be a bad move for gamers and the industry. At least with the other studios being bought recently, there was already a great almost de facto standard working situation like Insomniac or Playground, or it was a developer clearly in need of financial relief like Ninja Theory or Double Fine.

When it was Sony it was a bad move for gamers and the industry, when it's MS it's incredible news for everybody: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9218899

As neutral as always.

Worth noting that he said that before Sony hatted 4 more AAA exclusives, including 2 from Zenimax. Many who once would have been against MS buying a whole publisher and then walling it off from Playstation, will have changed their opinion since then due to Sony continuing to play dirty pool with AAA moneyhats even though Phil attempted to call a truce between MS and Sony in regards to moneyhats. I know I for for one have gone from being against MS walling off a whole publisher from Sony to being all for it, Sony deserves it after the amount of anti-consumer BS they've pulled, especially this year (increasing the price of games especially in Europe and then claiming that they can't afford to do day one PS Now releases for their exclusives, moneyhatting games like Tokyo Ghostwire and FF16 and DLC's like Spider-Man in Avengers, etc.). Sony has grown to near 2006 levels of cockiness again and need a wake up call, if it takes Zenimax being walled off from PS to wake them up, so be it.

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kirby007 said:
BraLoD said:

When it was Sony it was a bad move for gamers and the industry, when it's MS it's incredible news for everybody: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9218899

As neutral as always.

he mentions its bad if its walled of in his recent post he even mentions ps5 games at 70,-,thus not walled of are u obtuse on purpose?

He says:

""you'd really "love" to see Sony buy a huge company that is in no financial stress whatsoever?"

"But you'd "love" to see this all walled off and only available to PS users? Fucking yikes. Would be a bad move for gamers and the industry. At least with the other studios being bought recently, there was already a great almost de facto standard working situation like Insomniac or Playground, or it was a developer clearly in need of financial relief like Ninja Theory or Double Fine."

He defend MS past purchases as ok because it were small companies or in dire need of money, and question about buying a huge company in no financial problem, then mocks him and assume that he would, supposedly, want it walled in when it was about Playstation:

"Or is it ok so long as they're exclusive to Playstation?"

When what the person he quoted said:

"That said, I'd love to see Sony take over Bethesda Game Studios.

Sometimes new management is all thats needed, to get things back on track,
and I suspect Bethesda is one of those companys that could benefit from it."

He simply assumed that exclusive (walled in) part, the other person never said it on the quoted post, it was just part of his attack on Playstation, as he always does.

Now he praises the action he questioned about and used to mock that person:

"This is incredible news for anyone who is a fan of single player games."

Then he mentions most games being exclusive to MS and only the big ones coming to PS5 so MS can make more money, in the same post he said it's good for everybody:

"Personally I see them releasing the mega big games on PS5 but most of the stuff being MS exclusive and all of it coming to GamePass day one. I doubt MS minds letting PS5 owners buy copies of Fallout 5 for $70 a pop while they sell GamePass subscriptions by putting the game on the service at no charge."

Where he is clearly ok with "most of the stuff being MS exclusive" now, and also ok that "the mega big games" comes to PS5 just so MS can get more money, as it's his only interest, MS getting more money out of it.

Crystal clear intentions as the opinion sides based on which brand does it, as always.

Any more "obtuse" questions?

Last edited by BraLoD - on 27 September 2020

" buy a huge company that is in no financial stress whatsoever? A company who makes tons of great single player games? Seems to be conflicting messages. Or is it ok so long as they're exclusive to Playstation Microsoft?"

"Would be a bad move for gamers and the industry. At least with the other studios being bought recently, there was already a great almost de facto standard working situation like Insomniac or Playground, or it was a developer clearly in need of financial relief like Ninja Theory or Double Fine."

Hilarious thread.

Oddly enough I agree with all this. Specially that second part.

  • No Financial stress? Check.
  • Lack of any "de facto standard working situation similar to Insomniac or Playground" Check.
  • "Developer not in need of Financial Relief"  Check.

Who is this mysterious person that I find myself so agreeing with on all these issues.  "LudicrousSpeed said:"  Oh....

But hey at least when I see people failing oh so desperately to use insomniac as a comparison I now have an answer."de facto standard working situation".



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shikamaru317 said:
BraLoD said:

When it was Sony it was a bad move for gamers and the industry, when it's MS it's incredible news for everybody: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9218899

As neutral as always.

Worth noting that he said that before Sony hatted 4 more AAA exclusives, including 2 from Zenimax. Many who once would have been against MS buying a whole publisher and then walling it off from Playstation, will have changed their opinion since then due to Sony continuing to play dirty pool with AAA moneyhats even though Phil attempted to call a truce between MS and Sony in regards to moneyhats. I know I for for one have gone from being against MS walling off a whole publisher from Sony to being all for it, Sony deserves it after the amount of anti-consumer BS they've pulled, especially this year (increasing the price of games especially in Europe and then claiming that they can't afford to do day one PS Now releases for their exclusives, moneyhatting games like Tokyo Ghostwire and FF16 and DLC's like Spider-Man in Avengers, etc.). Sony has grown to near 2006 levels of cockiness again and need a wake up call, if it takes Zenimax being walled off from PS to wake them up, so be it.

You should really take off your green goggles before posting.

MS has been outright buying studios instead of investing on their own games, what Sony does is shit compared to it, even as it's also shit, indeed.

The anti-consumer BS is always really undue here, now Sony is to blame for increased game prices when companies where already saying they would do it?

I dunno how I still didn't see you say Sony is the culprit behind the pandemic so people can give more attention to the PS5 launch.

Sony needs a wake up call, that's why MS is buying studios like they always did... damn, just damn.

Everything good Sony does is a reaction to MS, everything bad Sony does is because they are anti-consumer. And everything bad MS does is a reaction to Sony, everything good they do is because they are full of goodwill.

Quite interesting world some people live into.