Switch certainly cant take everything. But it wouldnt be surprising if Japan focused games put a focus on Switch. It has a bigger userbase growing.

Their 3rd party reliance hasnt been that significant either. Japan just happens to really like Nintnedo content.

Sure it wouldn't be surprising, but you are moving the goal post.

Just pointing out PS4 sales numbers show console sales are stagnant in Japan. Maybe devs had the impression PS4 would do even better in Japan?

Not really, they had the impression after the first couple years (and was confirmed) that the japanese games were selling better than on the previous gen independent on where the consoles were being sold.

Action games do well in the west. So its not that surprising Monster Hunter, Nier, Nioh and Yakuza have found success in the west. Some of those IPs changed greatly which helped.

Considering you put all Sony games as same genre I'll have to accept that all these games are also same genre, Persona 5 as well right?

I am saying Sony wont try to make games Japan wants, its been mostly failure. They will rely on 3rd parties to hold ground. I agree they will stay focused making what the west wants, that has been easier and bigger market.

Nope you were saying they hope for the best. If you just said that Sony first party games are focused in western gamer (that includes RotW btw) I wouldn't say you are wrong (even though GT sell good enough on Japan and Japan Studio still releases games that are more similar to japanese interest games), but that is possible because they have good 3rd party support, they know about their support so that isn't hoping for the best.

I dont think Sony is going to make any serious effort to fight Switch in Japan. Maybe some moneyhats, but thats about it. I do think they're hoping for the best. But I think they're more incline to moneyhat games that do well in the west, not just Japan. Like Final Fantasy.

You are allowed to disagree with me. But I dont see any evidence thus far changing my view.

Sony isn't making any serious effort to fight Switch in any country, I already said it. Besides Street Fighter V there haven't been any sign of any moneyhat for any game on the whole gen. The exclusives were made simply based on the devs themselves seeing there wasn't enough money to be made by putting the game also out of PS.

There are Japanese games that do well in the west, that stuff has Xbox and PC support too. I think some of that stuff will never come to Switch.

But games with heavy reliance on Japan could likely be designed with Switch in mind now. That could easily discourage some Playstation sales.

Sure could, that is still not my point, it is what the devs said but you don't seem to want to accept because that would mean Sony isn't just hoping.

Playstation consoles have been stagnant in Japan, but software sales improved? Talk about moving the goal post.

Developers sell SW so when they say the scene was revived is because they are selling more. How is that moving the goal post?

Persona 5 certainly has narrative driven focus like Sony games recently. However, Persona 5 is designed to appeal to Japan and weebs. Has a more traditional JRPG combat system. Sony makes games with wider western appeal.

Still Persona 5 made a lot of success on the west. But seems like that for at least P5 you accept it isn't in the same genre while putting all Sony games as if they were the same stuff right?

You feel Sony relying on 3rd parties in Japan is just as good as any support. Our views are different but that's fine.

I agree some games are exclusive because Sony is willing to fund them. They also allow many of those games on PC because they don't see it as a direct competitor.

So you want to do just a partial acceptance? Several games, most of them actually, Sony didn't had to put a single dime to have it only on Playstation. But if they don't pay it is hoping for the best? But if you say they are paying for some them they wouldn't be hoping for the best? What is it?

Sunset Overdrive was great but that belongs to Sony now. My guess is PS5 will get a remaster and they will determine if a sequel is ever worth doing. That is the Spiderman studio right now.

That's weird….could have sworn I've got a PC somewhere around here….

A separate ray tracing chip is just about the dumbest thing you can do. I know this idea came up in other forums for no reasons or explanations given, but it is just about the dumbest thing you can do.

Let me just finish this topic by stating that a separate ray tracing chip is just about the dumbest thing you can do.

In my opinion Sony is just hoping they can use 3rd party games to prop up Playstation in Japan. If that won't work, then they will give up. I feel that's hoping for the best versus taking an initiative. But we have differing perspectives.

I hear you, the console market is revived solely because Playstation 4 is a thing. Not because of 3rd party developers.

Persona 5 did fine in the west for that style of game.

I was suggesting they may have to moneyhat games to combat Switch in Japan eventually, you're conflating different discussions. Nintendo will definitely make them and maybe moneyhat too. Sony has little interest in making games for Japan, but I can seem them moneyhatting though.

The games that Sony has funded has primarily been action titles with a western appeal. Hence, Sony is popular in the west and they fund games for that market. Sony is popular in Japan but they don't really fund games for them. The reasons are fairly obvious. The west matters more and that's is what Sony is focused on.

@bold: That opinion is based on what exactly? What do you mean by give up? Playstation is a global brand at this point, with strong support in every single region generation after generation, which is something the other competitors can't really claim.

About the funding of games in the "west" vs Japan, I mean, we do have examples like Bloodborne and Demon's Souls right? Not sure I would classify them as "action titles". I have no data to show they are investing more money in 3rd party deals in one area vs the other. One thing should be noted though, there is no competition from Microsoft in that market, which means every big budget game gets made for the PS4, with less than a 50% (guessing) chance of it ever coming to Xbox.

@bold: That opinion is based on what exactly? What do you mean by give up? Playstation is a global brand at this point, with strong support in every single region generation after generation, which is something the other competitors can't really claim.

About the funding of games in the "west" vs Japan, I mean, we do have examples like Bloodborne and Demon's Souls right? Not sure I would classify them as "action titles". I have no data to show they are investing more money in 3rd party deals in one area vs the other. One thing should be noted though, there is no competition from Microsoft in that market, which means every big budget game gets made for the PS4, with less than a 50% (guessing) chance of it ever coming to Xbox.

I have bowed out of the discussion. You can see the several replies and basically Sony is hoping for the best because they don't release majority of their games focusing exclusively on Japan, the global view and dominance of Sony with releases that interest everybody (and sure focusing their 1st party on games the 3rd parties aren't making) means they don't care about Japan and just hope to sell there with whatever is delivered by 3rd parties.

Basically it is another case of Sony dominating 3 gens by luck, hope and no merit.

The games you mention have significant appeal in the west. Demon's Souls was relatively new idea at the time, Bloodborne was essentially more of that. I would classify them as action games.

Anyway, this is a wait and see thing. Their significance in Japan has decreased with their exit in the mobile market. They've virtually given up Japan centric games.

I dont really even care, I just have some thoughts. I dont feel we really need to explore this any further.