Aw, how sweet of you to think of me.

Still only two, but why bring facts into a thread like this.

Which studios are we talking about here? They got Ninja Theory and Obsidian, which make ok games but that's still peanuts compared to all the studios Sony has under its belt. All Sony studios have between 200 and 300 developers while something like MS's new studio, the Initiative, has like 32 employees. Other than that we know MS will just be releasing more Halo, Gears and Forza's. Not bad games, of course, but historically Sony has been a lot better at building studios and new AAA ip's.

12 Tflops still sounds pretty ridiculous when you consider that a RTX2080 TI alone costs $1500. Prices will drop for sure when the RTX 3*** series come out but that would still mean that these consoles will probably perform on par with RTX 3070, which will likely hit the market for like $800. It's no wonder Nvidia is pissed lol.

Exaggerating PC prices again? The RTX 2080 Ti is pricey, but not THAT pricey.

And why are you even comparing that GPU instead of a RTX 2080 (less than $700) or RTX 2070 Super (less than $600)?

And why should a RTX 3070 cost around $800? Both RTX 2070 and RTX 2070 Super had a MSRP of $499. Maybe they'll try $549 or $599 for the next 70-model, but I doubt that.

You understand that the current RTX prices are only due to a lack of competition and that Nvidia can adapt these prices very fast if they have to... they have done that over and over again (f.e. the GTX 970 for $329 MSRP, much cheaper than the GTX 770 with $399 MSRP).

When the new competition arrives next fall (new consoles + Big Navi PC cards), they'll adapt.

You shouldn't use FLOPS as a performance measurement.

For example: RTX 2080 Ti and Radeon VII do both 13.4 TFLOPS at FP32 (float). Yet, the 2080 ti is at the minimum 30% faster in gaming performance.

5700 XT which has the current architectur (RDNA) probably used  in these console does even worse than the Radeon VII according to benchmarks.

I predict that the new consoles will be around 50% slower than what a current RTX 2080 ti can achieve at average.

Yes I don't buy this leak as I don't buy the others. But it is still funny seeming the discussion and people claiming one thing or another based on them.

The initial point I was making is that FLOPS is a bad way of measuring performance where you also confirmed my statement by providing an example that Radeon VII and 5700 XT are identical in gaming performance. The difference between these 2 is around 3-4 TFLOPS at FP32. 

Let me show you what the base of my prediction is: 

First one: 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-5700-xt.c3339

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2080-ti.c3305

Relative performance difference provided by this site is about 34%. 

Second: 

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2080-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT/4027vs4045

Benchmark comparing these 2. Average user benchmark is at 72 % difference. 

XBOX Series X will be using a RDNA based architecture. RDNA 2.0 is scheduled to release this year 2020. Will RDNA 2.0 architecture find its way into XBOX Series X? I don't know.  This one also provides hardware based Raytracing. If it goes with an RDNA 2.0 than the difference could be smaller, but there is currently no data available that I could use. 

I read an article that they will enhance the RDNA 1.0 at some points for XBOX Series X. Sadly, I can't find that article anymore. 

Now, that's just GPU talk. We have to put that GPU into a gaming console and combine it with different costly devices. I assume that Xbox Series X will cost around 599€ at start. To achieve that price you will have to make certain sacrifices. One will be selling it at a loss, there other one is to reduce certain aspects of features or performances. 

Thus, I predict, but what is known to me and assumed by me, that the average performance of that console will be around 50% slower than a RTX 2080 Ti. 

I am comparing a graphics card against a full gaming console, where the card costs around 1000€ and that console around 600€.

Just add that the console also comes with a controller which is not free of costs to produce. 

This. Sony has a proven track record with games and sequels are coming out that many people are waiting for, while The Initiative still has to prove itself.

Regardless of that, not many people are going to swap a whole ecosystem just for nicer reflection effects or whatever.

Doesn't Playground make the Forza Horizon games? Anyways, we will see. But lets be honest here, building new successful ip's to keep things fresh isn't exactly MS's strong suit. Since the original Xbox launched almost 2 decades ago, they have only managed to build 3 successful ip's (Halo, Gears and Forza) and they have been desperately trying to clamp onto them ever since, even when those franchises aren't that popular anymore. Compare that to Sony's studio's who are given the creative freedom to try new things and come up with games like: Horizon Zero Dawn, Spiderman, TLOU, Ghost of Tsushima etc.

I'm sure MS knows they will never beat Sony with their exclusives so it's a smart move to launch a more powerful console. Risky move for sure because if they launch $100 or more expensive than the ps5 and the extra performance doesn't really translate to that much better graphics, they are pretty much screwed. Also, if Sony's console does fit normally under most people's telly's it could also be a problem for MS. Still, if these rumors are true I have to applaud MS for having the balls to go all out on their next console's hardware.

Didnt MS buy Gears property from epic games? They didnt really make that, they just own it.
Also Halo was from Bungie, which MS just bought to get halo.

I think they did make the forza line of games though.