I don't get why people think that both Sony and Microsoft can use gpu tech not even in current AMD cards(and they are), but Nintendo getting a custom SoC would be too expensive. Nintendo could easily ask Nvidia to use a cut down version of the gtx 1660 with 4 -A76 cpu cores. It will definitely cost more than the current X1, but those cards are currently under $200 and I'm positive that's not what Nintendo would remotely pay for them.

I definitely get that Flops aren't the whole story, but they are the new measuring stick for gamers to have an idea of the systems capability. Many years ago people were impressed with pps(polygons per second) and now its Tflops... 

Keeping expectations in check is fine, as I don't think many of our list are out of the norm of reality. (What Nintendo chooses to do is another factor all together  though)

If you asked me years ago I would totally say that Nintendo is a company that just doesn't care about specs at all anymore. But after them making a game like BoTW which cleary could benefit from a system with higher specifications. They know that sacrifices had to be made because of hardware limitations even for a launch game. They have also shown a much greater interest in receiving 3rd party games like they have never publicly shown before.

That is exactly what I think, if people saying it will come out in 2022. I just haven't seen anything on on Nvidia's road map to suggest otherwise. Xavier in 10Watt form is only 0.8TFLOPs. Orin will come out in 2022 and run at 65Watts.

As for my magic sauce comment, if this was anywhere close to true, AMD would long be dad and killed off by NVIDIA. As JRPGfan indicated through the forumlas, it is closer to 25% gain then the double people are claiming.

Now Nintendo could be working on a secret custom chip from the ground up, I don't know but that would be very expensive to do. 

I ain't saying that ports won't be possible, it is that if they do port, the game will essentially be different do to the raw power gap. 

Big publishers want quick and easy cash. If they can't port it within a month of just some simple code changes it will never happen. I know people don't like to talk about EA and Activision, but for mass market they are big and people play their games. The fact that these two haven't really provided proper support to Switch and the Switch has outsold the XBOX then clearly the gap for them is big enough not to bother spending money.

Because I think in 2022 you can' have a significant boost over the original Switch, I think it is pointless releasing a next gen Switch as at the end of the day it is mainly a Nintendo game machine. I don't need better gfx atm, happy with Switch.  Only reason to get a Switch 2 is in the hope it gets more support. May as well extend the life of the Switch as it is selling well atm. No need to rush into the next one

That's like saying in 2017 that you couldn't see ps5 and xsx being much more poweful than their predecessors. There is no magic sauce, you simply need to stop looking at just flops and ignoring everything else. Nvidia and amd build their gpus differently and nvidia edges then out with more performance over it's amd counterparts. Quoting pemalite "Flops across AMD and nVidia are identical, they are the same math. But the flops people throw around on forums are theoretical numbers which don't take into account any other part of the GPU."

3rd parties don't bother if they can't make a port within ONE MONTH? How did you make that up? Anyway, You keep saying you don't see a 2022 console having a significant boost over the switch but also keep ignoring that nvidia is about to make the jump to 7nm gpus. They also have a long term partnership with nintendo, so they will certainly develop a mobile gpu that fits nintendo's needs for the switch 2.

Bolded part, just want to point out that the Switch at what like 300Gflops or whatever gets ports of games running at lets call it 5x that many on PS4/X1. So to say Switch 2 won't be able to get ports because there will be a power difference doesn't hold water, unless you think for some reason Nintendo won't make a Switch 2 that much stronger than the Switch, but why would you think that in the first place, you think they aren't gonna upgrade their offering much after 6 years? Switch 2 should be as capable of getting PS5/XSeries ports roughly as well as Switch is of getting PS4/X1 ports. Now of course that isn't great, we all wish 3rd parties would spend the time to port more games. And ideally Switch 2 will close the power gap a bit so it can get more than the occasional port, with like half the ports being shitty jobs haha.

Also, something that no one has mentioned I think. Microsoft is also supposed to launch of much less powered Series S. The Switch 2 will probably be fairly close to the Series S in graphical capabilities. If third parties need to make games run well on the Series S it isn't gonna be much harder to make them run well on the Switch 2.

That is exactly what I think, if people saying it will come out in 2022. I just haven't seen anything on on Nvidia's road map to suggest otherwise. Xavier in 10Watt form is only 0.8TFLOPs. Orin will come out in 2022 and run at 65Watts.

As for my magic sauce comment, if this was anywhere close to true, AMD would long be dad and killed off by NVIDIA. As JRPGfan indicated through the forumlas, it is closer to 25% gain then the double people are claiming.

Now Nintendo could be working on a secret custom chip from the ground up, I don't know but that would be very expensive to do. 

I ain't saying that ports won't be possible, it is that if they do port, the game will essentially be different do to the raw power gap. 

Big publishers want quick and easy cash. If they can't port it within a month of just some simple code changes it will never happen. I know people don't like to talk about EA and Activision, but for mass market they are big and people play their games. The fact that these two haven't really provided proper support to Switch and the Switch has outsold the XBOX then clearly the gap for them is big enough not to bother spending money.

Because I think in 2022 you can' have a significant boost over the original Switch, I think it is pointless releasing a next gen Switch as at the end of the day it is mainly a Nintendo game machine. I don't need better gfx atm, happy with Switch.  Only reason to get a Switch 2 is in the hope it gets more support. May as well extend the life of the Switch as it is selling well atm. No need to rush into the next one

Xavier is gonna be old ass tech too by 2022. Xavier is 16nm I believe, Switch 2 chip will likely be 7nm Turing based, that's going to be far more efficient and able to hit better performance per watt. 

Still I mean that means at FP32, that 16nm Xavier NX is hitting 2 TFLOPS at at only 10 watts, that's better performance than a PS4 for only 10 watts is quite impressive. Keeping in mind too that a lot of people consider Nvidia FLOPS to be greater than AMD's listing, so 2 TFLOP Nvidia part may be more equivalent to like a 2.5 TFLOP AMD old processor, so that could be a good deal better than a PS4 as is at 10 watts. 

That is exactly what I think, if people saying it will come out in 2022. I just haven't seen anything on on Nvidia's road map to suggest otherwise. Xavier in 10Watt form is only 0.8TFLOPs. Orin will come out in 2022 and run at 65Watts.

As for my magic sauce comment, if this was anywhere close to true, AMD would long be dad and killed off by NVIDIA. As JRPGfan indicated through the forumlas, it is closer to 25% gain then the double people are claiming.

Now Nintendo could be working on a secret custom chip from the ground up, I don't know but that would be very expensive to do. 

I ain't saying that ports won't be possible, it is that if they do port, the game will essentially be different do to the raw power gap. 

Big publishers want quick and easy cash. If they can't port it within a month of just some simple code changes it will never happen. I know people don't like to talk about EA and Activision, but for mass market they are big and people play their games. The fact that these two haven't really provided proper support to Switch and the Switch has outsold the XBOX then clearly the gap for them is big enough not to bother spending money.

Because I think in 2022 you can' have a significant boost over the original Switch, I think it is pointless releasing a next gen Switch as at the end of the day it is mainly a Nintendo game machine. I don't need better gfx atm, happy with Switch.  Only reason to get a Switch 2 is in the hope it gets more support. May as well extend the life of the Switch as it is selling well atm. No need to rush into the next one