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ClassicGamingWizzz said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Good, humor is what I was going for. If I were in a Sony thread crapping on them and saying I don’t believe what they are saying, what would your response be? Based on that post history you’re referencing, I’m guessing you wouldn’t be surprised or put much stock into a word I was saying. Just seems like a waste of time to tell us he doesn’t believe Spencer. Like, no shit you don’t?

You dont need to be a hater to not believe a word that comes out of phil spencer mouth, he is a PR guy, he tells his crowd what they want to listen , the " papa phil spencer saved xbox " type of crowd. I will never understand the jerking off to guys like phill spencer and the amount of attention press gives him everytime he farts a tweet gaming journos make a article sometimes they squeeze and make 2 or 3 with a bunch of nothing. This thread about the fact that he reveal this ( if its real true devs said it is not ) ahead of time was stupid as fuck because its taking money from the devs , people can spin this all they want but there is only negatives to the makers of the game. Or he is dumb or this was a little bit malicious pr , IMO its just proof he needs to shut his mouth more.

And yet some are just haters. 

Also, how strange to see that kind of talk from you considering the Kojima worshipping you have been doing lately because of Death Stranding. Either way I’m glad we cleared the post up.



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LudicrousSpeed said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:

You dont need to be a hater to not believe a word that comes out of phil spencer mouth, he is a PR guy, he tells his crowd what they want to listen , the " papa phil spencer saved xbox " type of crowd. I will never understand the jerking off to guys like phill spencer and the amount of attention press gives him everytime he farts a tweet gaming journos make a article sometimes they squeeze and make 2 or 3 with a bunch of nothing. This thread about the fact that he reveal this ( if its real true devs said it is not ) ahead of time was stupid as fuck because its taking money from the devs , people can spin this all they want but there is only negatives to the makers of the game. Or he is dumb or this was a little bit malicious pr , IMO its just proof he needs to shut his mouth more.

And yet some are just haters. 

Also, how strange to see that kind of talk from you considering the Kojima worshipping you have been doing lately because of Death Stranding. Either way I’m glad we cleared the post up.

Please show me the posts where you see me worshipping kojima for death stranding, a game i didnt bought or have intentions to buy until its probably dirty cheap.



 

ClassicGamingWizzz said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Good, humor is what I was going for. If I were in a Sony thread crapping on them and saying I don’t believe what they are saying, what would your response be? Based on that post history you’re referencing, I’m guessing you wouldn’t be surprised or put much stock into a word I was saying. Just seems like a waste of time to tell us he doesn’t believe Spencer. Like, no shit you don’t?

You dont need to be a hater to not believe a word that comes out of phil spencer mouth, he is a PR guy, he tells his crowd what they want to listen , the " papa phil spencer saved xbox " type of crowd. I will never understand the jerking off to guys like phill spencer and the amount of attention press gives him everytime he farts a tweet gaming journos make a article sometimes they squeeze and make 2 or 3 with a bunch of nothing. This thread about the fact that he reveal this ( if its real true devs said it is not ) ahead of time was stupid as fuck because its taking money from the devs , people can spin this all they want but there is only negatives to the makers of the game. Or he is dumb or this was a little bit malicious pr , IMO its just proof he needs to shut his mouth more.

Actually, you are incorrect.  Phil is not a PR guy, he is the head of the whole game division at MS.  If anything you are getting the strategy from the guy who calls the shots on all gaming related issues at MS.  Phil cannot just tell people what they want to hear because if it doesn't happen he is held accountable for it and people will come back at him on what he stated.  So yes, when Phil farts a tweet its much bigger than someone like Major Nelson stating something.  Maybe you do not understand the position that Phil holds within MS.  He only have one person he reports to and that is the CEO.

So if the person who is in charge of all game related endeavors at MS makes a mistake, then so be it he made a mistake but to act as if Phil is just some office boy seems like you have no clue of the position he holds within the company.



Machiavellian said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:

You dont need to be a hater to not believe a word that comes out of phil spencer mouth, he is a PR guy, he tells his crowd what they want to listen , the " papa phil spencer saved xbox " type of crowd. I will never understand the jerking off to guys like phill spencer and the amount of attention press gives him everytime he farts a tweet gaming journos make a article sometimes they squeeze and make 2 or 3 with a bunch of nothing. This thread about the fact that he reveal this ( if its real true devs said it is not ) ahead of time was stupid as fuck because its taking money from the devs , people can spin this all they want but there is only negatives to the makers of the game. Or he is dumb or this was a little bit malicious pr , IMO its just proof he needs to shut his mouth more.

Actually, you are incorrect.  Phil is not a PR guy, he is the head of the whole game division at MS.  If anything you are getting the strategy from the guy who calls the shots on all gaming related issues at MS.  Phil cannot just tell people what they want to hear because if it doesn't happen he is held accountable for it and people will come back at him on what he stated.  So yes, when Phil farts a tweet its much bigger than someone like Major Nelson stating something.  Maybe you do not understand the position that Phil holds within MS.  He only have one person he reports to and that is the CEO.

So if the person who is in charge of all game related endeavors at MS makes a mistake, then so be it he made a mistake but to act as if Phil is just some office boy seems like you have no clue of the position he holds within the company.

Whenever he is talking public in the name of the company he is a PR.

And he have said a lot of wrong stuff, which were plenty discussed in this site, and I do remember some defense of every blunder he have said.



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DonFerrari said:
Machiavellian said:

Actually, you are incorrect.  Phil is not a PR guy, he is the head of the whole game division at MS.  If anything you are getting the strategy from the guy who calls the shots on all gaming related issues at MS.  Phil cannot just tell people what they want to hear because if it doesn't happen he is held accountable for it and people will come back at him on what he stated.  So yes, when Phil farts a tweet its much bigger than someone like Major Nelson stating something.  Maybe you do not understand the position that Phil holds within MS.  He only have one person he reports to and that is the CEO.

So if the person who is in charge of all game related endeavors at MS makes a mistake, then so be it he made a mistake but to act as if Phil is just some office boy seems like you have no clue of the position he holds within the company.

Whenever he is talking public in the name of the company he is a PR.

And he have said a lot of wrong stuff, which were plenty discussed in this site, and I do remember some defense of every blunder he have said.

Actually no it isn't.  It's what you want to believe which is how you view the situation.  With every interview Phil does, every statement he makes, he put his reputation on the line.  Its way more different from some PR person telling you something, then the head of the entire gaming division at MS telling you something.  No, Phil will not answer every question nor would the expectation should even be there as it would be silly to give up to much information on your current and future plans.  What Phil has done is position MS to compete on multiple fronts.  From having a device to deliver games, to having a service to deliver games, to compete and not get left behind in the cloud race.  You name it, MS has been making a lot of smart moves since he took over.

Tell me what wrong stuff has Phil stated.  I also remember those conversations but they mostly involved not seeing things he stated as fast a gamer believe they could come into reality.  As always, gamers believe a company has infinite resource, time, money etc.  They have not clue what it takes to make anything happen.

I neither love or hate Phil but what I do see is someone who has changed the direction of where the Xbox and gaming in general within MS was going.  I actually believe if Phil did not get promoted, MS probably would have moved out of gaming. which is a strong point for Phil.  



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Machiavellian said:

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I neither love or hate Phil but what I do see is someone who has changed the direction of where the Xbox and gaming in general within MS was going.  I actually believe if Phil did not get promoted, MS probably would have moved out of gaming. which is a strong point for Phil.  

Um... no. If what you say is true, then that would actually be all the more reason to hate Phil Spencer.



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RolStoppable said:
Machiavellian said:

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I neither love or hate Phil but what I do see is someone who has changed the direction of where the Xbox and gaming in general within MS was going.  I actually believe if Phil did not get promoted, MS probably would have moved out of gaming. which is a strong point for Phil.  

Um... no. If what you say is true, then that would actually be all the more reason to hate Phil Spencer.

So you want MS to move out of gaming.  Why would that be.  I have no allegiance to any gaming system or company.  My allegiance is to games and which ever system has the games I want to play, I purchase it.  Its the sole reason I always purchase a PS system because Sony always have want I want.  MS sooner or later has what I want and sometimes Nintendo.  I personally see MS in the space being a positive because it keeps Sony also being positive.  To each their own.



I admit that I do love the Xbox brand but I'm gonna defend Phil anyway. There were times I think he was TOO transparent and it hurt the company. One example was when they got Rise of the Tomb Raider exclusive for a year. People asked if it would be coming to PS4 and he was like "Yeah, we have it exclusive for a year.".

People just waited for the PS4 version. Nobody won. He could have and SHOULD have spun it but he didn't.



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d21lewis said:
I admit that I do love the Xbox brand but I'm gonna defend Phil anyway. There were times I think he was TOO transparent and it hurt the company. One example was when they got Rise of the Tomb Raider exclusive for a year. People asked if it would be coming to PS4 and he was like "Yeah, we have it exclusive for a year.".

People just waited for the PS4 version. Nobody won. He could have and SHOULD have spun it but he didn't.

We know that isn't how it happened. It was due to a very odd exclusivity claim made on E3 that people were questioning and even then they took a long time to confirm it was timed exclusivity.

Plus couple months or so after he said how much he hated timed exclusivity and the like.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

DonFerrari said:
d21lewis said:
I admit that I do love the Xbox brand but I'm gonna defend Phil anyway. There were times I think he was TOO transparent and it hurt the company. One example was when they got Rise of the Tomb Raider exclusive for a year. People asked if it would be coming to PS4 and he was like "Yeah, we have it exclusive for a year.".

People just waited for the PS4 version. Nobody won. He could have and SHOULD have spun it but he didn't.

We know that isn't how it happened. It was due to a very odd exclusivity claim made on E3 that people were questioning and even then they took a long time to confirm it was timed exclusivity.

Plus couple months or so after he said how much he hated timed exclusivity and the like.

Context is key when reading text from someone especially during interviews.  Here is the text from Phil I believe you are referencing but I believe it doesn't mean what you believe it does.  Its contextualized to a specific point and doesn't cover timed exclusivity the way you think it does.

“I don’t know what deals get written. I’ve been pretty open about, I’m not a fan of doing deals that hold back specific pieces of content from other platforms. You don’t see that in the deals we’ve done with Assassin’s and Shadow. We’ll have a marketing deal on those, but I don’t say, hey, I need some kind of Strike or skin somebody else can’t play.

“I don’t think it’s good for our industry if we got into a point where people are holding back the technical innovation of game developers based on a marketing deal. I don’t know anything about what’s in other people’s deals.