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JRPGfan said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
Remedy is denying the news but that’s normal as they’d want to keep sales going. There’s no time line on when Phil was referring, could be 6 months from now.

Reguardless of if its true or not, Remedy must be mad as hell.
This is gonna hurt its sales.

It's already been stated by analysts that Game Pass actually boosts hard sales, doesn't hurt them.



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Mr Puggsly said:
d21lewis said:
Fuck dammit. I spent $60 on this one and haven't even finished it yet. It kinda felt like a Game Pass game but I ignored my gut!

If its a AA/AAA with some hype but not amazing sales, it seems like Gamepass jumps on it. That's how I've been playing Bloodstained. Then you have Metro, Rage 2, DmC5, etc.

I think you nailed it. And for some reason these are the games I gravitate towards nowadays. Gotta learn to be patient, I guess.



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flashfire926 said:
JRPGfan said:

Reguardless of if its true or not, Remedy must be mad as hell.
This is gonna hurt its sales.

It's already been stated by analysts that Game Pass actually boosts hard sales, doesn't hurt them.

I don't see how that would apply in this situation.  Perhaps it boosts sales AFTER it appears on Gamepass but I can't see any reason why it would have a positive effect if that information leaks long before it actually hits the service.  There is no way this can be anything but a negative to sales during that gap.  

Regardless, Spencer revealing this ahead of time was a blunder, which I'm going to assume was an honest mistake.  You don't reveal stuff like that without the developer's permission.  He might have literally just taken money from their pockets.



pokoko said:
flashfire926 said:

It's already been stated by analysts that Game Pass actually boosts hard sales, doesn't hurt them.

I don't see how that would apply in this situation.  Perhaps it boosts sales AFTER it appears on Gamepass but I can't see any reason why it would have a positive effect if that information leaks long before it actually hits the service.  There is no way this can be anything but a negative to sales during that gap.  

Regardless, Spencer revealing this ahead of time was a blunder, which I'm going to assume was an honest mistake.  You don't reveal stuff like that without the developer's permission.  He might have literally just taken money from their pockets.

Maybe. And in my case it definitely would have stopped me from buying Control. Still, many people love to own things. Netflix (and Now Disney+) get content so fast but there's always people who ignore that and still buy Avengers Endgame or The Last Jedi. I usually only play games I'm curious about on Gamepass. If it's something I want to own, I buy it. I've even pirated movies only to turn right around and buy them because they were so good.



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d21lewis said:
pokoko said:

I don't see how that would apply in this situation.  Perhaps it boosts sales AFTER it appears on Gamepass but I can't see any reason why it would have a positive effect if that information leaks long before it actually hits the service.  There is no way this can be anything but a negative to sales during that gap.  

Regardless, Spencer revealing this ahead of time was a blunder, which I'm going to assume was an honest mistake.  You don't reveal stuff like that without the developer's permission.  He might have literally just taken money from their pockets.

Maybe. And in my case it definitely would have stopped me from buying Control. Still, many people love to own things. Netflix (and Now Disney+) get content so fast but there's always people who ignore that and still buy Avengers Endgame or The Last Jedi. I usually only play games I'm curious about on Gamepass. If it's something I want to own, I buy it. I've even pirated movies only to turn right around and buy them because they were so good.

I don't see where the maybe part comes into play.  The issue here is that there will be a period of time where the game is NOT on Gamepass but people know that buying it would be a waste of money if they have a Gamepass subscription.  Is it possible that some of those people will buy the game because they played it on Gamepass?  Sure, but that would have happened regardless.  That eventuality did not need a long gap between the announcement (via Spencer) and the game actually appearing on the service in order to happen.

That's why the optimal situation--and one the developers probably wanted--was for the announcement to occur right before the game debuted on Gamepass.

This early announcement can only be a negative for the developers.  How much of a negative is up for debate, of course, but I don't see any way it can benefit them.  The only party it can benefit is Microsoft, as it might possibly push someone away from buying Control and into subscribing to Gamepass instead.

The developers would have a right to be unhappy.  I know I would be.  



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flashfire926 said:
JRPGfan said:

Reguardless of if its true or not, Remedy must be mad as hell.
This is gonna hurt its sales.

It's already been stated by analysts that Game Pass actually boosts hard sales, doesn't hurt them.

Yeah Spencer said it improves game sales too. When a game is on GamePass it gets a lot more exposure on Xbox. It’s on the most played list, it’s talked about on Reddit, it’s played on Mixer and Twitch. 

I can see it selling a lot more when it hits GamePass as streamers and content creators play it. This is especially true for the lesser known titles. Descenders for example, quadrupled in sales thanks to GamePass according to the developers.



flashfire926 said:
JRPGfan said:

Reguardless of if its true or not, Remedy must be mad as hell.
This is gonna hurt its sales.

It's already been stated by analysts that Game Pass actually boosts hard sales, doesn't hurt them.

Some Xbox officials, and a foul mouthed developer aren't really reputable sources. Or "analysts".



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JRPGfan said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
Remedy is denying the news but that’s normal as they’d want to keep sales going. There’s no time line on when Phil was referring, could be 6 months from now.

Reguardless of if its true or not, Remedy must be mad as hell.
This is gonna hurt its sales.

Would be funny to see what compensation they will demand from MS when their highest position member on the division goes out and break the terms of their deal (because if there was no term for silence then they wouldn't deny the information).

This will be good to watch.

Anyway when it releases it will be a good game for people to enjoy without buying.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Zoombael said:
flashfire926 said:

It's already been stated by analysts that Game Pass actually boosts hard sales, doesn't hurt them.

Some Xbox officials, and a foul mouthed developer aren't really reputable sources. Or "analysts".

Will wait for them to show for example how much did Sea of Thieves, Halo or Gears sold before and after showing on gamepass.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Zoombael said:
flashfire926 said:

It's already been stated by analysts that Game Pass actually boosts hard sales, doesn't hurt them.

Some Xbox officials, and a foul mouthed developer aren't really reputable sources. Or "analysts".

Yeah Xbox execs and actual game developers wouldn’t know game sales. VGChartz experts though, that’s where the real knowledge is.