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Forums - Politics - Official Thread: The Impeachment of President Donald Trump

pokoko on 18 December 2019
padib said:

Actually I do mind to be honest because I feel silenced. Out of courtesy though I replied in the other thread.

Spoiler!
I put this in a spoiler tag given you don't want this in your thread, but it's still on topic: my point is that the impeachment shows how undemocratic the United States truly is right now. They (politicians and media) wanted him out since day one, now they found their reason, as unimportant as it is to US Citizens. Whether you agree with that or not, it's none of my business.

I don't care anything about this whole Impeachment deal or politics in general but this particular statement makes absolutely zero sense.

UNDEMOCRATIC would be if the representatives in office had no recourse to violations by a sitting President.  That would be tyranny.  That misuses of power can lead to removal from office is a vital part of democracy.  

As for politicians wanting him out, how is that different from any country in the world?  Rival politicians will always want their opponents out of office.  Why is that even a point?

Does "the media" want him out?  There is plenty of "media" with a conservative slant.  Why do people pretend otherwise?  The most popular puppet shows in the country are solidly Republican.  The only real travesty is that the overwhelming majority of people only read or watch "news" from highly biased sources they know they will agree with, but there isn't much that can be done about that.

It's like you're saying that democracy means that people can't do anything about their leadership and they should just sit on their hands no matter what.  



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deskpro2k3 on 18 December 2019

Now the senators will hold a trial. Even if the senate votes not to convict and remove the president, the president political career is damaged, and impeach will be on his resume for life.



SanAndreasX on 18 December 2019
RolStoppable said:
SpokenTruth said:
It is official. President Donald Trump has been impeached.

Why does this feel about as hollow as a win by the Cincinnati Bengals this season?

He'll be acquitted along party lines. Mitch and Lindsey should recuse themselves, but they won't. Even if they did the right thing it'd be an uphill battle. The current Senate would acquit him even if Trump had a credible accusation of murder against him that would easily win in a criminal courtroom. If Nixon had had McConnell and Graham and the rest of the current Senate instead of the one that was in place in 1974, he'd have never resigned.  And there are two at least vulnerable Democratic Senators - Joe Manchin (D-WV) and Doug Jones (D-AL), the latter of whom barely squeaked out a special election victory against a man accused of messing with underage girls even among those Republicans who believed the allegations, including Alabama's governor - who will likely cross party lines and vote to acquit



jason1637 on 18 December 2019

Big waste of time.



ironmanDX on 18 December 2019
deskpro2k3 said:
Now the senators will hold a trial. Even if the senate votes not to convict and remove the president, the president political career is damaged, and impeach will be on his resume for life.

And Trump will use it to seem even more "anti-establishment".

I have a feeling this may end up playing into his hands... He won't be removed or convicted.



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SuaveSocialist on 18 December 2019

For the first time in Beloved Leader's life, he has been held accountable for the things he's done.

Naturally, his collaborators are deeply upset that the Tough-on-Crime Party of Personal Responsibility and Limited Government (the Democrats, since the Republican Party clearly doesn't have any values or ideology anymore) would do this to him.



thegamerpad on 18 December 2019
SpokenTruth said:
Illusion said:

These reasons are extremely vague and consistent with a conditioned psychological response created by brain-washing and mind control.  What specifically has Trump done that is racist?  Most of the reasons I hear such as his "Muslim ban" are patently false: how was this a "Muslim ban" when countries like Saudi Arabia or Indonesia were left off the list which have much higher percentages of Muslim adherents?  The countries that Trump banned were countries where the US has had past military conflicts or reasons to be concerned about heightened terrorist activity and I have never heard Trump once refer to it as a Muslim ban in any of his rallies or speeches: this was one of the things that the media deliberately slanted to support a very specific narrative.

I assert that your hatred for Trump is a product of the hatred that the mainstream corporate media has for him (and more specifically, their globalist controllers).  I guarantee that if you unplug from the mainstream media and resolve to just stop listening to any media that has been produced by a large corporation, you will find that your hatred will start to subside for no apparent reason.  The globalist have over-thrown countless countries (including the Ukraine) using the exact techniques that are being used on you right now and they know exactly how to implement hypnosis and mind control techniques within the media that they control to bring about a conditioned response from a significant segment of the population.  Once you are out from under this control, it will be so obvious that this impeachment is a sham that this debate wouldn't even be necessary.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history

You say we are brainwashed for listening to news. Where do you get your information from then?  Have you read any of the impeachment documents?  If not, then you yourself have been getting your information from some news source and your assertion we are brainwashed must be equally applied to yourself.

I don't know if I'd go around claiming VOX or the Atlantic as some sort of unbiased sources.


You know what I found extremely concerning and interesting though, is that you created this thread and put a ton of detail and hard work into...you even included what the defense is (with a noticeable slant in your explanation) but at NO point did you actually lay out the evidence.   How can you put all that time and work in it and not show the evidence? 



SanAndreasX on 18 December 2019

One thing that the impeachment could end up doing is that Trump could simply end up saying "Screw this, I'm out of here" and resign, especially if what comes to light during his trial exposes him or his family to serious legal jeopardy. That's really the only way the impeachment has even a snowball's chance in hell of getting him out of office, since the Senate will acquit him. Then Pence can pardon everybody involved.

Nixon saw the handwriting on the wall and fled before they could even impeach him. 



thegamerpad on 18 December 2019
SanAndreasX said:

One thing that the impeachment could end up doing is that Trump could simply end up saying "Screw this, I'm out of here" and resign, especially if what comes to light during his trial exposes him or his family to serious legal jeopardy. That's really the only way the impeachment has even a snowball's chance in hell of getting him out of office, since the Senate will acquit him. Then Pence can pardon everybody involved.

Nixon saw the handwriting on the wall and fled before they could even impeach him. 

Delusional, he's not going to resign, especially not with more people against impeachment than for it.

Comments like this show how out of touch some of you are with reality.  

He's also not in any legal jeopardy.



thegamerpad on 19 December 2019
SpokenTruth said:
thegamerpad said:

Delusional, he's not going to resign, especially not with more people against impeachment than for it.

Comments like this show how out of touch some of you are with reality. 

Impeachment inquiry - Definitely favorable.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_the_impeachment_inquiry_of_president_trump-6956.html

Impeachment and removal - About even.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_the_impeachment_and_removal_of_president_trump-6957.html

Don't make false claims and then tell others they are out of touch with reality.


Even the god awful CNN which we can all admit hates Donald Trump released a poll

45% support removing him from office

Opposition to removal is at 47%

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/16/politics/impeachment-poll-cnn/index.html


It's even against it in your poll too.   He's not going to resign with that kind of support. 

Delusional

I hope you learned something (you're wrong)