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konnichiwa on 01 November 2019
colafitte said:
pikashoe said:

These are the ramblings of a mad man. Dude take off the tinfoil hat and try and return to society.

I still believe in what i said though (the fact that gaming media is awarding games that are nothing new, just more of the same because of nostalgia, the fact that there is a serious discrepancy between american scores and european scores and that anything PS related is being nitpicked by american media in recent times) and if you think i'm wrong, your opinion and arguments about it are welcome to me. 

Well I present you the 'Easy Allies'.  USA citizens by birth and not buy choice, lovers of Japanese games  all of them worked with Geoff and have a similar love like Geoff LOVES Kojima to the point you ask them to get a room.

They reviewed it and the review was made by Ben Moore the guy who would turn him self Japanese if he could , even has japanese cookies with his face:



Well he reviewed the game,  he loves Japan, best mates with Geoff and he gave death stranding an 8/10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zUxXf1k5iM








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JRPGfan on 01 November 2019
KLXVER said:
JRPGfan said:

Harsh isnt even the right word..... to express how silly that score is, its worse than "harsh".

There has to be some sort of standard for what a review score means, or else the entire score metric is baseless and worthless.
3.5 is the sort of score you give some broken peice of crapy indie game, full of bugs.

All you need to do is watch a trailer or some gameplay and you can tell its not a 3,5 score.
That reivewer should be banned for click bait score giveing.

Sure, but it is his opinion. No matter how much they may hate Kojima on a personal level. Banning him doesn't really help anyone. It would just give reviewers less incentive to give a game they don't like a low score.

If his opinion wont go with what the base for review scores is, he shouldnt be allowed on metacritic.
He obviously goes against what is the normal for a review.

He can be a reviewer thats just not on metacritic then, they should have standards higher than this.
I dont see why metacritic should allow Trolls to review and contribute towards metascore.



LGBTDBZBBQ on 01 November 2019
colafitte said:

Why i'm not surprised a PS game is being trashed and nitpicked by American media again??? Really, just look the american scores compared to the european ones. How many of these scores are just click-baity just because it's a PS4 exclusive?? Media reviews are broken if we don't use the same standars for each game. A niche indie game that nobody cares can score plus 90+, a conservative stucked in the past game like Devil May Cry 5, Gears 5 or Outer Worlds can score 85,86, 87...., a japanese anime derivative more of the same game as the last 1000 JRPG before it can score 85 or more (Ni no Kuni Remastered at 86 and DQ XIS at 91 being a very good examples).....and of course, if it's a Nintendo Switch game recently....it's difficult if it doesn't get 85 or more by default (Mario Maker 2, Link's Awakening, Astral Chain, Fire Emblem, Luigi's Mansion, and i'm pretty confident Pokemon in a few weeks).

But Naughty Dog makes Uncharted Lost Legacy and gets 84 and it's cosidered by most a top 3 Uncharted game, Horizon Zero Dawn, the game that received the 2nd most GOTY's in 2017 (considered one of the best gaming years ever), getting way more GOTY's than games like Persona 5 (93), Mario Odyssey (97), Nioh (88), Nier Automata (88), ....got a 89 on metacritic; Spider-Man, considered by most the most fun comic hero video game ever only got 87. Lol, even God of War "only" got 94 on metacritic despite being universally loved and wininng most GOTY's in 2018 beating RDR which got 97. The nitpicking in scores can go on, and on, on games like Gran Turismo Sport, Detroit Become Human, Days Gone, Medievil, .....It's always the same story recently.

And when you see some recent "best video games ever" lists like the one IGN did recently and some others, they're filled with Nintendo/japanese games and the best PS exclusives ever are not even close to be seen in top 10 or top 20. If you add this with the many biased articles circuling in recent months against the future of PS vs next Xbox or platforms like Stadia from american outlets it's obvious there is something going on behind the scenes....

Anyway 84-85, is less than anticipated but still a "good score". Media is going to have their beloved "clicks" with this one...That's the objective. Then most of this outlets that are telling you is just a 6/10 or 7/10 game will dedicate dozens of articles to the same very game.

I don't know, maybe the game deserves the score and maybe it doesn't. It's just that I don't trust gaming scores at all....I will have my own impression when i play it for myself.

TLDR version of your post: The majority of western reviewers are Nintendo's shills despite Nintendo games were pretty much ignored by western media when it comes to the GOTY season. 

https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/

Western publications bias = Western-made games and only 2 Japanese games since 2003. Nintendo was very unfortunate because they were from Japan and the kiddy images of the company made it harder for their games to be discussed by western media. 
Take a look at the majority of those publications' locations it's basically US-EU centric list of publications.  The blog is such a mess. 

It's kind of miracle to see how BOTW won despite being put in that kind of circumtances. 



colafitte on 01 November 2019
KLXVER said:
colafitte said:

I'm full mad man "abe simpson yelling at the clouds" mode now....I can't go back anymore..., too late. . I haven't recovered from those RDR 2 reviews last year..., i'm already damaged it seems...

I still believe in what i said though (the fact that gaming media is awarding games that are nothing new, just more of the same because of nostalgia, the fact that there is a serious discrepancy between american scores and european scores and that anything PS related is being nitpicked by american media in recent times) and if you think i'm wrong, your opinion and arguments about it are welcome to me. 

Ever think that you might be a bit biased when it comes to Sony exclusives? I mean Spider-Man is new and original and Astral Chain is just more of the same.....same what exactly? 

I did not correlate Astral Chain as "more of the same" game, that was directed at games like Devil May Cry 5, Dragon Quest XI, Outer Worlds and Gears 5. Astral Chain entered more in the category of..."it's an anime style niche game from Platinum based purely on gameplay and with a nonsensical story that is not going to sell very well because in reality almost nobody like Platinum games as much as the scores tell" game.

And Spider-man...., well, it's a game that sold 13'2M units in less than 12 months and was the 3rd game with most GOTY's in 2018 with 19. More than games like Monster Hunter World (japanese game based in more of the same too like some other example that received a 90 on metacritic), Celeste (which received 91) or Super Smash Bros Ultimate (which received a 93).

So no..., i don't think i'm objectively "biased"....i am just "mainstream" it seems with what awards and consumers are saying...

Edit: I'm not trying to imply those other games don't deserve the score..., i'm just saying PS games end having better recognition in the end despite having lower scores.

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KLXVER on 01 November 2019
JRPGfan said:
KLXVER said:

Sure, but it is his opinion. No matter how much they may hate Kojima on a personal level. Banning him doesn't really help anyone. It would just give reviewers less incentive to give a game they don't like a low score.

If his opinion wont go with what the base for review scores is, he shouldnt be allowed on metacritic.
He obviously goes against what is the normal for a review.

He can be a reviewer thats just not on metacritic then, they should have standards higher than this.
I dont see why metacritic should allow Trolls to review and contribute towards metascore.

Well what do you consider important in a review? What guidelines should everyone follow?

If you hate a game you have to give it at least a 5 if it has great graphics?

Cant go over an 8 if the music is not good?

I do think his personal bias tainted his review, but thats not really hard to see. 



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KLXVER on 01 November 2019
colafitte said:
KLXVER said:

Ever think that you might be a bit biased when it comes to Sony exclusives? I mean Spider-Man is new and original and Astral Chain is just more of the same.....same what exactly? 

I did not correlate Astral Chain as "more of the same" game, that was directed at games like Devil May Cry 5, Outer Worlds and Gears 5. Astral Chain entered more in the category of..."it's an anime style niche game from Platinum based purely on gameplay and with a nonsensical story that is not going to sell very well because in reality almost nobody like Platinum games as much as the scores tell" game.

And Spider-man...., well, it's a game that sold 13'2M units in less than 12 months and was the 3rd game with most GOTY's in 2018 with 19. More than games like Monster Hunter World (japanese game based in more of the same too like some other example that received a 90 on metacritic), Celeste (which received 91) or Super Smash Bros Ultimate (which received a 93).

So no..., i don't think i'm objectively "biased"....i am just "mainstream" it seems with what awards and consumers are saying...

Edit: I'm not trying to imply those other games don't deserve the score..., i'm just saying PS games end having better recognition in the end despite having lower scores.

Well then wouldn't that be unfair to the games that score higher? The fact that Sony games get more recognition even when scoring lower?

It kinda goes both ways I guess. I just don't think Spider-Man would have sold much more with a 95 on Metacritic. 

I never really understood the "more of the same" argument. I mean will Spider-Man 2 feature Iron Man as the main character and be a FPS? I mean the reason for a sequel is that people do want more of the same. So what did Uncharted: Lost Legacy do that was so wildly different from the previous Uncharted games?



CuCabeludo on 01 November 2019

Anyhting above 80 is top tier.



Chrkeller on 01 November 2019
colafitte said:
KLXVER said:

Ever think that you might be a bit biased when it comes to Sony exclusives? I mean Spider-Man is new and original and Astral Chain is just more of the same.....same what exactly? 

I did not correlate Astral Chain as "more of the same" game, that was directed at games like Devil May Cry 5, Dragon Quest XI, Outer Worlds and Gears 5. Astral Chain entered more in the category of..."it's an anime style niche game from Platinum based purely on gameplay and with a nonsensical story that is not going to sell very well because in reality almost nobody like Platinum games as much as the scores tell" game.

And Spider-man...., well, it's a game that sold 13'2M units in less than 12 months and was the 3rd game with most GOTY's in 2018 with 19. More than games like Monster Hunter World (japanese game based in more of the same too like some other example that received a 90 on metacritic), Celeste (which received 91) or Super Smash Bros Ultimate (which received a 93).

So no..., i don't think i'm objectively "biased"....i am just "mainstream" it seems with what awards and consumers are saying...

Edit: I'm not trying to imply those other games don't deserve the score..., i'm just saying PS games end having better recognition in the end despite having lower scores.

I am confused by oh so many things.  For starters media bias against Sony...  GoW, Horizon, Spiderman, Uncharted, TLoU have all scored incredibly well.  With the latter titles being some of the highest rated games ever created.  UC4 scored brilliantly and absolutely was more of the same, with very little to no changes to the formula.  

Also MHW is more of the same....  MHW had some drastic changes that made the game far more accessible.  Have you played the MH series?  

I think the larger problem is one game gets a 90 and another gets a 88 and people rage because the scores are different.  When in fact, take into account a 95% confidence interval, statistically the scores aren't actually different.  Point being, relax chief, a few points doesn't mean anything.  



colafitte on 01 November 2019
KLXVER said:
colafitte said:

I did not correlate Astral Chain as "more of the same" game, that was directed at games like Devil May Cry 5, Outer Worlds and Gears 5. Astral Chain entered more in the category of..."it's an anime style niche game from Platinum based purely on gameplay and with a nonsensical story that is not going to sell very well because in reality almost nobody like Platinum games as much as the scores tell" game.

And Spider-man...., well, it's a game that sold 13'2M units in less than 12 months and was the 3rd game with most GOTY's in 2018 with 19. More than games like Monster Hunter World (japanese game based in more of the same too like some other example that received a 90 on metacritic), Celeste (which received 91) or Super Smash Bros Ultimate (which received a 93).

So no..., i don't think i'm objectively "biased"....i am just "mainstream" it seems with what awards and consumers are saying...

Edit: I'm not trying to imply those other games don't deserve the score..., i'm just saying PS games end having better recognition in the end despite having lower scores.

Well then wouldn't that be unfair to the games that score higher? The fact that Sony games get more recognition even when scoring lower?

It kinda goes both ways I guess. I just don't think Spider-Man would have sold much more with a 95 on Metacritic. 

I never really understood the "more of the same" argument. I mean will Spider-Man 2 feature Iron Man as the main character and be a FPS? I mean the reason for a sequel is that people do want more of the same. So what did Uncharted: Lost Legacy do that was so wildly different from the previous Uncharted games?

Awards and sales don't owe anything to reviewers that gave a score when the game launched. Awards and sales are better measurement of what really succeeded than gaming reviews..., that's my opinion of course. Zelda BOTW received a 97 on metacritic and then obliterated the competition in GOTY's as it should be..., because the game really deserved it. It didn't mattered if the game received a 97 or a 91.

And the argument about more of the same is that... i hear reviewers critizing games like Call of Duty Modern Warfare or Assassin's Creed for doing the same every year, but then a game like Dragon Quest XI comes, a game that basically plays the same as a game from 15-20 years ago, just with better graphics and get a pass by the reviewers (but not a pass from western consumers it seems).

And yes, Uncharted Lost Legacy was "punished" for being too similar to Uncharted 4. In this case, it was, not like other cases (despite having a full semi open world level completely new in an Uncharted game that was very well received by fans and critics). The thing is..., sometimes game press values just pure quality despite not being really different and other times they just don't, and i don't know why there's double standars between those games.

My point is: It gets less risks nowadays, doing a free risk conservative game that can play and look like a game from 2010 like Outer Worlds or Gears 5, than trying to be original. Games like Zelda BOTW are the exception, not the norm. That's why we are surrounded by remasters/remakes and eternal sequels of the same IP's. I just miss the Wii/PS3/360 era when we have so many new Ip's and new ideas. This gen has been really conservative in that regard. 



JRPGfan on 01 November 2019
KLXVER said:
JRPGfan said:

If his opinion wont go with what the base for review scores is, he shouldnt be allowed on metacritic.
He obviously goes against what is the normal for a review.

He can be a reviewer thats just not on metacritic then, they should have standards higher than this.
I dont see why metacritic should allow Trolls to review and contribute towards metascore.

Well what do you consider important in a review? What guidelines should everyone follow?

If you hate a game you have to give it at least a 5 if it has great graphics?

Cant go over an 8 if the music is not good?

I do think his personal bias tainted his review, but thats not really hard to see. 

Im sure theres a checklist you have to go through.
How are the graphics? the story? the gameplay? the bugs ect.


Im not a reviewer, but I feel like just "my gut" feeling is I dont like it, so it ll just give it a 35, for click bait, isnt something that should be allowed.
The "its just my opinion man" shouldnt be allowed.

Theres needs to be some formula to follow, that means if things are up to pair, it atleast scores a 50.
Theres just no way to justify a 35 review score for this.