I'm more than happy for it, having played games with dieing player bases but larger games like Fortnite or CoD have the player bases to not need it and give a better playing field and yet those are the ones people are asking for it on, FPS where I don't want to go against PC users? No thanks. Tekken 7 where the tournament online section might throw up 1 tournament for me to play? Yes please. Although Harada didn't do Cross play because he didn't like the idea of PC exploits affecting console users, a different problem entirely.

I just find it odd that Sony became the villain suddenly when they already did many cross plays but just because it MS asked when people wanted it on Fortnite when it was MS early policies that as you say meant FF14 isn't on Xbox.

"The majority of people asking for it aren't Playstation users though. Even in an online poll, where even Xbox/PC users could respond only 29% of people polled actually cared. http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2018/09/poll_do_you_care_about_cross-play_now_that_its_available_on_ps4 A poll limited to PS users would come back with 15% or less giving a damn about it. 

Edit: Here's another poll taken about crossplay. The results are similar. https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-04-12-do-gamers-really-care-about-cross-platform-play"

>That's nice and all but who cares what indifferent people think? They're indifferent. Baddman below on the other hand seems to have enough reason to care about this.

"Third parties asked Sony for Xbox One style DRM back in 2013. Should Sony have caved to that too?"

>No but DRM and cross-play are different. Clearly.

"Third parties only want crossplay so that they can keep their shitty GaaS MTX infested games alive a little longer, to milk even more money out of them."

>If someone wants to spend on these games, that's completely up to them.

"Bad games die faster if the userbase is split between three or four platforms. "

>Good games die faster too so that's neither here nor there.

"Xbox only boasts about it because its' damned near the only thing they can boast about. They manufactured the entire controversy. Of course they allowed crossplay on Xbox and PC. They are invested in both platforms. And yes Nintendo did allow crossplay on a handful of games, but let's not kid ourselves. MS was looking to drive the narrative to benefit themselves."

>To benefit themselves and benefit consumers as well. Baddman's kids below look to benefit from cross-play. Good on Microsoft, they deserve every bit of praise. Sony on the other hand was hijacking Fortnite accounts at their worst.

Sony was open to crossplay early on if I remember correct. Then MS decided they didn't want to do crossplay which is apparently why FFXIV skipped Xbox.

Eventually MS changed their mind then was open to it, then Sony didn't want it.

Out of spite some people just don't want crossplay now, as you can see by lack of enthusiasm in comments, I feel primarily as an anti Xbox thing.

That's nice and all but who cares what indifferent people think? They're indifferent. Baddman below on the other hand seems to have enough reason to care about this.

You are missing the point. Most people don't care about crossplay. So it was never worth going about making mountains out of molehills over it anyway. 

No but DRM and cross-play are different. Clearly.

It doesn't matter if they are different. If the argument is invalid for one thing it is invalid for all things. 

"No true man owns a dog."

No true Scotsman eats porridge. 

"Oh, but dogs and eating porridge are different. Clearly!"

Good games die faster too so that's neither here nor there.

A game with 500,000 players is not going to die anywhere near as fast as a game with 100,000 players. I don't care if a game that came out in 2010 dies out in 2015 instead of 2025. Publishers do care if their crappy MTX infested game dies out in six months though. If crossplay means they can keep that game on life support for another six months of course they are all for it. 

To benefit themselves and benefit consumers as well. Baddman's kids below look to benefit from cross-play. Good on Microsoft, they deserve every bit of praise. Sony on the other hand was hijacking Fortnite accounts at their worst.

Well, I agree that Sony should not have hijacked Fortnite accounts. If somebody wants to log into another system and play their profile they should be able to. That's a bit different than having separate servers for online matches though, and not the same as crossplay. 

But it was not to benefit consumers. If MS was out to benefit consumers they would never have standardized paid online. They would never have pushed for DRM on Xbox in 2013. They would never have started pumping MTX into their flagship titles. They are out for themselves, simple as that. 

You don't need to the excited when something doesn't excite you. Example, I don't like or play online, why should I show enthusiasm for an online feature being announced?

That's nice and all but who cares what indifferent people think? They're indifferent. Baddman below on the other hand seems to have enough reason to care about this.

You are missing the point. Most people don't care about crossplay. So it was never worth going about making mountains out of molehills over it anyway. 

No but DRM and cross-play are different. Clearly.

It doesn't matter if they are different. If the argument is invalid for one thing it is invalid for all things. 

"No true man owns a dog."

No true Scotsman eats porridge. 

"Oh, but dogs and eating porridge are different. Clearly!"

Good games die faster too so that's neither here nor there.

A game with 500,000 players is not going to die anywhere near as fast as a game with 100,000 players. I don't care if a game that came out in 2010 dies out in 2015 instead of 2025. Publishers do care if their crappy MTX infested game dies out in six months though. If crossplay means they can keep that game on life support for another six months of course they are all for it. 

To benefit themselves and benefit consumers as well. Baddman's kids below look to benefit from cross-play. Good on Microsoft, they deserve every bit of praise. Sony on the other hand was hijacking Fortnite accounts at their worst.

Well, I agree that Sony should not have hijacked Fortnite accounts. If somebody wants to log into another system and play their profile they should be able to. That's a bit different than having separate servers for online matches though, and not the same as crossplay. 

But it was not to benefit consumers. If MS was out to benefit consumers they would never have standardized paid online. They would never have pushed for DRM on Xbox in 2013. They would never have started pumping MTX into their flagship titles. They are out for themselves, simple as that. 

I've actually seen my nephews doing crossplay with a Xbox One and PS4 in different rooms. So its worth considering the most popular games might actually have the greatest demand for crossplay. However, games with small populations can greatly benefit.

Sony became the villain because THEY BECAME the problem. When MS was opposed to crossplay, they were the villain in my eyes. Its really simple as that. Opposing crossplay out of revenge or whatever doesn't benefit consumers.

Anyhow, its great that both are doing crossplay now and hopefully it becomes more standard in coming games and next gen.