Okay well I'm just saying it's a fact that women (and yes, people of color too for that matter, and also gay people and even more especially lesbians specifically as well) are definitely under-represented in film, so it just seems to me like, honestly, if you're complaining that there are too many women on your screen, it's proooooobably because you're doing so in bad faith.

Let me throw some statistics your way: the total number of films cracking the top ten highest-grossing ones either domestically in the U.S. or worldwide overall in the last two years featuring a female director is zero. The total number of female-directed films winning Best Picture at the U.S. Academy Awards to date is one, and it was a 2010 film about war that featured almost no women. Only one-third of characters with speaking roles on-screen are female and only 9% of films feature sex-balanced casts. 14% of superhero and science fiction-themed movies released over the last decade have featured solo female lead characters, while 47% have featured solo male lead characters. (In other words, the latter outnumber the former by a margin of more than three to one.) Also, only 36% of gay or bisexual characters in film in 2018 were female; gay men are way more represented than lesbians outside of porn.

There is a certain type of role, however, that is most often assigned to females: "Females were far more likely than their male counterparts in 2018 to be shown in sexually revealing attire (29.2% vs. 7.4%) and with some nudity (27.3% vs. 8.5%). Girls/women were also more likely than boys/men to be referenced as attractive by other characters (10.2% vs. 2.7%)." So yes, in fact, girls and women are definitely more sexualized in film. Let me suggest that that could reflect who makes the movies and who they're mostly made for.

Much of this and other relevant data can be found here.

Similar rules of thumb apply across the art world, as it pertains to girls and women:

-In art galleries, about 5% of all artists in Modern Art sections worldwide are women, while by contrast some 85% of the nudes are female.
-In music, according to a sweeping study released last year, only 22% of the top 1,239 performing musicians between 2012 and 2017 were women, as were only 12% of their songwriters.
-Porn is by far the main form of media representation that lesbians have (if that even counts considering how few of those performers are actually lesbian).

I could go on, but I think you get the idea. My point is that, in as far as recent increases in representation for women in film and other artistic mediums (including games) has occurred, it has been toward correcting a clear-cut imbalance strongly favoring boys and men. Specifically concerning film, the actual reason why you're seeing more movies narratively center girls and women these days is because the movies that do so tend to make more money. In other words, moviegoing audiences seem to like them, taken as a whole. So when people go around complaining that there's too much "diversity" in media or about preeeetty much every major film or game that has prominent female characters in it, I'm inclined to have a skeptical attitude about that. I think many men just simply don't wish to lose their privileged representational status, that's all.

I've made it clear that I don't care about race or gender, that I just want good movies, so I'm not sure what you think giving me these race/gender related statistics is going to accomplish but ok lol.

Those statistics alone don't prove there's some unfair play happening rather than just happenstance. Afaik, in the Western 1st world there's no rules barring women from lead roles and management positions. Most artist/directors/etc. just happen to be men is all those stats tell me, and there's nothing wrong with that. No "correcting" needed, just as I bet you don't believe the male prominent dirty grunt work jobs like construction/garbage pick up/sewer maintenance/etc. also need to be corrected.

Why do you care about such specific representation? We're all human, that should be enough. Just because the lead/director/artist/etc. is lesbian doesn't mean the lives of lesbians everywhere suddenly get better. I'm pretty sure the middle east, where sexism against women is actually a prominent tangible issue, didn't change their ways after the force awakens. Having a more diverse cast also doesn't make a movie better or excuse it's faults.

Naw I think most people don't care about something as useless as "privileged representation." I think most people watch movies to be entertained, but eh if you really need to convince yourself that the haters have no legitimate criticisms then I can't stop ya.

If female directors haven’t won more oscars is their fault, Clint Eastwood won two oscars as best director why? because he made two great movies, unforgiven and million dollar baby(female lead), any director has the right to submit their films for movie festivals, why hasn’t Jamaica won the best foreign film( nothing against Jamaica just picked a random country) maybe there hasn’t been a Jamaican movie worthy of the award,
The same goes for box office why didn’t book smart make 3 billion like avengers? Well nobody cared about the film, also people forget that there have been very succeful movies starring women, alien, silence of the lambs, wizard of oz, red shoes, dial m for murder  ,rosemary’s baby, breakfast at Tiffany’s, terms of endearment(which won like 7 oscars), etc, nobody tried to boycott the movies because they didn’t have a straight white male as the lead, people just enjoyed the movies because they were great, as simple as that.
So if more women want to win the Oscar they should direct great movies, if someone wants to make a box office hit featuring a gay black Woman, well they should make a great movie featuring a lesbian black woman, period easy as that, but you shouldn’t hide your lack of talent or creativity behind political correctness and expect people to like what you do, especially if you are taking successful franchises from the past and injecting them with your progressive ideals.

So pretending that how a fictional movie potrays it's fictional characters is somehow important beyond the movie itself, what's your point, that 2 wrongs make a right? That in order to make women feel good about their existence men need to be beat down? Seems counterproductive as you're implying women can't be strong without men getting nerfed first.

I don't see where you got the idea he's flipping out, he only made a single sentence about the rather minor point, meanwhile you ignored everything else that was said to focus on said minor point, now that's interesting!

What's really interesting though is how yal believe the male characters looked bad in TLJ, but I found it made pretty much everyone look bad lol. Namely Leia and that purple haired woman were laughably incompetent, not telling everyone they had a plan for literally no reason and then being surprised when mutiny happens. These are really the role models we want women to have!? xD

You fool! Don't you see? He doesn't care about race and gender! Therefore everything you say is invalid! And that's exactly why he'll continue to argue about it, foolish SJW! /s

Seriously though, I don't care what a person's politics are, no reasonable person can look at those statistics and not at least think that it's pretty fucking fishy.

Except they can for the very reasons I explained already.

Ha, I clearly questioned what it was you were even trying to say, but I'll just assume that like your response here it was a whole lot of nothing.

"Reasons", right. From a totally reasonable person, got it. A reasonable person who argues for pages on end about why he doesn't like a movie with people who don't believe him and never will believe him about his motives. You're wasting your time, dolphin. If you're really hating TLJ because you think it was poorly written, just say that and move on. The longer you fight, the more we'll doubt that your motives are just about TLJ's writing.

LMAO!  That's actually what you did in your response to me.  Ignored all the other points, except the one you thought you could win with and then set up a strawman argument.  Again, this is supposed to be about equality, or so you guys want to say, not tearing down one side over another just because of blights from the past, whether real or only perceived.

What a very poor argument.  SW is a huge franchise.  Something many have grown up with and love.  It's very easy to see why someone would be passionate about a film they see that destroys the lore and characters of that series.

I mean we could use the same narrative for you.  "You obviously realize the film was crap, but continue to argue in the movie's favor only because it, and the person who wrote and directed it, pushes views that you agree with, so you defend it."  Face it.  You have no real argument, so must resort to ad hominem.

You're also on a forum where we, including you, can argue for pages about video games and consoles.  So, what evil does that say about us all?  Cause I would really like to know.

Nah not interested in what you think questioning is. If you're not gonna explain yourself then there's nothing more to discuss here.

It takes two to argue, I could take your post and spin it right back at you, but of course I won't because it's laughably stupid. You're implying that the content of my post doesn't matter, only the fact that I'm still posting does (the same as you are...) as if that somehow means what I'm saying becomes less valid or something.

You wanna delude yourself into thinking I'm sexist/racist/whatever because I don't like TLJ, lol fine, but it will be just that, a delusion not based on anything I've actually said.

You claimed I proved your non-existent point correct somehow. I'd think you'd see the necessity in explaining that cause it's just a baseless nonsensical claim as is. Also stop being ignorant:

"So pretending that how a fictional movie potrays it's fictional characters is somehow important beyond the movie itself, what's your point, that 2 wrongs make a right?"

Now you could argue that this question wasn't direct enough, or you could just tell me what your point was already. If you do anything other than the latter then I won't respond, rather not further clutter this thread with your endless sidestepping.