By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Gaming Discussion - Should Sony release the Playstation 5 before or after Scarlett?

 

Sony should release the Playstation 5...

...Before Scarlett 4 11.76%
 
...Along with Scarlett 27 79.41%
 
...After the Scarlett 3 8.82%
 
Total:34

I think we know that Sony isn't really ready yet to release the PS5.  But assuming they were ready, then they should release the PS5 as soon as possible.  Microsoft should also release the Scarlett as soon as possible.  Both are losing market share to the Switch.  The longer they wait, the harder time they are going to have in the Generation 9 competition.

Switch is already the go-to console in Japan.  I expect PS5 to sell about half as much as the PS4 did in Japan (maybe less).  Everyone in Japan is just going to want a Switch.  North America can easily head in that direction too.  Switch is already the best selling console in North America this year, and everyone knows that Nintendo sales are very heavily weighted toward the holiday season.  That means that right now, Switch is the hot console in North America.  It is the system that people are excited about, and that kids are going to beg for, so they can play with their friends.  The longer Sony waits, the more they are going to lose sales in North America too.  They are really running the risk of losing in both Japan and North America like they did with the PS3 (or worse).

Sony has to worry about Microsoft too, but their biggest competition right now is actually Nintendo.  If they don't consider the Switch a threat, then they are going to get one hell of a wake up call after the PS5 launches and they see it selling like the PS3 did for its first few years.



Around the Network
The_Liquid_Laser said:

I think we know that Sony isn't really ready yet to release the PS5.  But assuming they were ready, then they should release the PS5 as soon as possible.  Microsoft should also release the Scarlett as soon as possible.  Both are losing market share to the Switch.  The longer they wait, the harder time they are going to have in the Generation 9 competition.

Not really because the Switch is not in direct competition with the PS5/Scarlett, just as it isn't with PS4/XBO.

"Direct competition is a situation in which two or more businesses offer products or services that are essentially the same; as such, the businesses are competing for the same potential market."

"Indirect competition is the conflict between vendors whose products or services are not the same but that could satisfy the same consumer need."

Because they are Indirect competitors the sales impact the PS5/Scarlett will have on the Switch is negligible and the impact Switch will have on PS5/Scarlett sales is also negligible. This has already been proven by the Switch launching to fantastic sales of 14m, while in that same year the PS4 had it's best year by far. Switch sales do not detract from PS4/XBO sales and will not detract from PS5/Scarlett sales. 

Sony/MS don't need to worry about the Switch and Nintendo don't need to worry about the PS5 or Scarlett.

PS5/Scarlett will be even less similar to the Switch than the PS4/XBO are.

Last edited by Barkley - on 21 September 2019

Doesn't matter, Microsoft is the one that has to play the cards right to have a chance.



Hard to say, Businesses prefer earlier because you get into the market and snatch up the customers before the comp arrives. Its really too late now to change anything major inside the consoles. If Sony has a good launch line up than id say definitely get it in the market early, if they don't than wait until they do. Same goes with Xbox.



Azzanation said:

Hard to say, Businesses prefer earlier because you get into the market and snatch up the customers before the comp arrives. Its really too late now to change anything major inside the consoles. If Sony has a good launch line up than id say definitely get it in the market early, if they don't than wait until they do. Same goes with Xbox.

Well the ps4 had a pretty poor line up and sold really well so Sony could probably release with a few low effort titles and sell really well again.



Around the Network
pikashoe said:
Azzanation said:

Hard to say, Businesses prefer earlier because you get into the market and snatch up the customers before the comp arrives. Its really too late now to change anything major inside the consoles. If Sony has a good launch line up than id say definitely get it in the market early, if they don't than wait until they do. Same goes with Xbox.

Well the ps4 had a pretty poor line up and sold really well so Sony could probably release with a few low effort titles and sell really well again.

That's true, but then the XBO didn't have a good launch lineup either. So it depends, if Scarlett has an amazing launch lineup that might be a problem. Halo Infinite is already confirmed, though that is crossgen.



Barkley said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

I think we know that Sony isn't really ready yet to release the PS5.  But assuming they were ready, then they should release the PS5 as soon as possible.  Microsoft should also release the Scarlett as soon as possible.  Both are losing market share to the Switch.  The longer they wait, the harder time they are going to have in the Generation 9 competition.

Not really because the Switch is not in direct competition with the PS5/Scarlett, just as it isn't with PS4/XBO.

"Direct competition is a situation in which two or more businesses offer products or services that are essentially the same; as such, the businesses are competing for the same potential market."

"Indirect competition is the conflict between vendors whose products or services are not the same but that could satisfy the same consumer need."

Because they are Indirect competitors the sales impact the PS5/Scarlett will have on the Switch is negligible and the impact Switch will have on PS5/Scarlett sales is also negligible. This has already been proven by the Switch launching to fantastic sales of 14m, while in that same year the PS4 had it's best year by far. Switch sales do not detract from PS4/XBO sales and will not detract from PS5/Scarlett sales. 

Sony/MS don't need to worry about the Switch and Nintendo don't need to worry about the PS5 or Scarlett.

PS5/Scarlett will be even less similar to the Switch than the PS4/XBO are.

Switch and PS5 and Scarlett will all be in direct competition with each other.  The 3DS and Vita were both in direct competition with each other, because they are both dedicated handheld gaming systems.  The 3DS and smart phones are in indirect competition, because the latter isn't a dedicated gaming device, but simply a mobile device that also has games as one of its many applications.  Also, the 3DS and PS4 are in indirect competition, because one is a handheld only gaming system and the other is a home only gaming system.  These systems are extremely different, but might end up satisfying the same need.

Switch and PS5 are in direct competition.  They are both home console systems.  We also don't have a situation like the Wii where the games are extremely different.  Wii Sports was a motion controls game that was radically different than anything the PS3 or XBox360 had in 2006.  On the other hand Zelda: BotW is an open world game.  That is the sort of game that is on a Sony or Microsoft system.  Smash Bros, Splatoon 2 and Pokemon are a fighting game, online shooter and RPG respectively.  Those sorts of games are on the other systems too.  Neither the hardware or software is radically different between the Switch and PS5.  They are both home systems which play similar games.

Also you said this: "Because they are Indirect competitors the sales impact the PS5/Scarlett will have on the Switch is negligible and the impact Switch will have on PS5/Scarlett sales is also negligible. This has already been proven by the Switch launching to fantastic sales of 14m, while in that same year the PS4 had it's best year by far."

This narrative is common, but the people who say it really need to do their homework.  The Genesis launched in 1989 and got slaughtered by the NES that year.  It also lost to the NES in 1990.  The Genesis never affected NES sales in the slightest.  But looking at the whole lifetime of the Genesis, it was in very close competition with the SNES.  The Genesis could not affect the NES, because it had too much sales momentum behind it when the Genesis launched.  But when the SNES launched, the Genesis was a cheaper system with a decent library of games already built up.  Lots of people bought the Genesis instead of the SNES for those reasons.  

In the same way, the Switch could not affect the PS4, because it had too much sales momentum behind it when the Switch launched.  But when the PS5 launches, the Switch will be a cheaper system with an extremely strong library of games already available.  A lot of people are going to buy the Switch over the PS5 just like they chose the Genesis over the SNES.

The only difference between the Generation 4 situation and this one is that Genesis sold poorly its first couple of years.  The Switch has been selling extremely well since launch.  The PS5 would have some extremely tough competition from the Switch even if it launched this year.  When it launches next year, it is going to be even harder.  There are going to be a lot of very shocked people at the end of 2021 when the find out that the PS5 is selling like the PS3.  "Why isn't the PS5 selling?"  It won't be selling well, because gamers will be buying the Switch instead.

Last edited by The_Liquid_Laser - on 21 September 2019

The_Liquid_Laser said:
Barkley said:

Not really because the Switch is not in direct competition with the PS5/Scarlett, just as it isn't with PS4/XBO.

"Direct competition is a situation in which two or more businesses offer products or services that are essentially the same; as such, the businesses are competing for the same potential market."

"Indirect competition is the conflict between vendors whose products or services are not the same but that could satisfy the same consumer need."

Because they are Indirect competitors the sales impact the PS5/Scarlett will have on the Switch is negligible and the impact Switch will have on PS5/Scarlett sales is also negligible. This has already been proven by the Switch launching to fantastic sales of 14m, while in that same year the PS4 had it's best year by far. Switch sales do not detract from PS4/XBO sales and will not detract from PS5/Scarlett sales. 

Sony/MS don't need to worry about the Switch and Nintendo don't need to worry about the PS5 or Scarlett.

PS5/Scarlett will be even less similar to the Switch than the PS4/XBO are.

Switch and PS5 and Scarlett will all be in direct competition with each other.  

Switch and PS5 are in direct competition.  They are both home console systems.

It doesn't matter that they are both "home console systems" that doesn't mean they are in direct competition. They will appeal to a different potential market because they are very different products with different libraries and experiences.

PlayStation and Xbox offer the same thing, Nintendo offers something different. It doesn't matter how large the install base for Switch is, and it doesn't matter what games the Switch gets.

The market that buys Fifa, CoD, GTA, Assassins Creed, Red Dead Redemption etc will buy them on PlayStation or Xbox. Even if these games were to release on the Switch their sales would be tiny by comparison.

There is a clear demand for western AAA gaming and the experiences that PlayStation/Xbox consoles offer that the Switch can never fulfil, just as there is a clear demand for Nintendo games and the experiences that the Switch offers which PlayStation/Xbox can never fulfil. As neither platform can fulfil the same demands they are not in direct competition.

A person who wants to play CoD but also wants to play Zelda doesn't suddenly lose the desire to play CoD when they buy a Switch, nor do they lose the desire to play Zelda when they purchase a PlayStation/Xbox. Some people desire both, some people only want one, the key is they're different products wanted for different reasons.

"Direct competition is a situation in which two or more businesses offer products or services that are essentially the same;" - PlayStation and Xbox, they offer a very similair experience and both cater to the same market with an emphasis on Western AAA gaming.

"Indirect competition is the conflict between vendors whose products or services are not the same but that could satisfy the same consumer need." - PlayStation/Xbox and Switch. Their products and services are very different but they could satisfy the same consumer need (entertainment/gaming).



The majority of Switch sales will now be coming from the lite which is a handheld console only. It's basically a 3DS with a couple of shared 3rd party games that PS4/XB1 has/had and now just look worse.
There is no direct competition between with them.



Every console manufacturer should release their console when they are ready. When are they ready? Well…

1. Have they worked out, what the new generation actually should improve over the current one?

2. Does their current prototype deliver this?

3. Have they worked out a marketing message that explains this improvement?

4. Can they deliver this improvement to a market acceptable pricepoint?

5. Have they ironed out production issues?

6. Are the third-parties on board?

7. Have they dev-kits delivered and more ready?

8. Can they offer a good program for indies to get on board?

9. Have they major games ready for launch?

10. Have they major games in development for the first year?

11. Cover the launch and first year games major distinctive kinds of customers?

If they can deliver this, then they are ready to launch.



3DS-FC: 4511-1768-7903 (Mii-Name: Mnementh), Nintendo-Network-ID: Mnementh, Switch: SW-7706-3819-9381 (Mnementh)

my greatest games: 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023

10 years greatest game event!

bets: [peak year] [+], [1], [2], [3], [4]