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Star citizen

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Cerebralbore101 said:
Faelco said:
It's funny to see people defending it by saying "it's progressing, the alpha is playable".

After 8 years and more than 200 millions spent in it, having a playable alpha, still in progress, is less than the minimum.

Technically not a scam, maybe, but between incompetence and dishonesty, surely.

Originally alpha meant having most of the code working, but no 3D assets, sound, or animations. A true alpha should look like little more than N64 style rough models running around. Alpha means "Oh, we have 10% of the game done." Beta means the game is complete minus bug testing/fixing. Gold = it's ready to ship. 


Originally, maybe. But today, companies make the first players test or demonstrations on alpha versions, the games are already playable (in a part) in this state.

But for Star Citizen, it might be the original meaning: it doesn't sound like 10% of the game is finished yet..  



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Haven't there already been well received limited gameplay previews? Not sure if it's a scam but they might suffer heavily from feature creep. There is some chance it will either be released incomplete because they ran out of time or it'll get picked up by a major publisher and then gets released incomplete because that's what big publishers do.



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yeah I dont understand what the fuss is about, you can already play the game and everyone that plays it likes it alot. The community is strong apparently and its just the outsiders that do not understand it that are coming in every few months calling it a scam.
This just brings in negativity that benefits noone.



Faelco said:
It's funny to see people defending it by saying "it's progressing, the alpha is playable".

After 8 years and more than 200 millions spent in it, having a playable alpha, still in progress, is less than the minimum.

Technically not a scam, maybe, but between incompetence and dishonesty, surely.

A game of that size and scope, with a team a lot smaller than what AAA studios have nowadays, the was to be expected from the get-go.

I didn't invest any money into the game because the genre ain't my kind of tea. But knowing fully well what they were planning (and still doing), I knew that it would take a long while to get there.

For the scope and size of the game, imagine all 4 Mass Effect games rolled into one, , double it again, and have higher production value as either of them. How long did Bioware need for 4 Mass Effect titles? How many are working there and how many on Star Citizen?

The game is regularly updated with new features, bugfixes, what have you. If that's a scam, then every game which promises a roadmap of new features, aka every fucking GaaS (Game as a Service) is a fucking scam too, as they don't do anything different on that front, and you can go right out and sue the shit out of EA, Activision, Bethesda, etc... But how come nobody calls them scammers? Even though they don't just do the same, but on top of it rip you off in legal daylight robbery with microtransactions, lootboxes and whatsnot?



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Faelco said:
It's funny to see people defending it by saying "it's progressing, the alpha is playable".

After 8 years and more than 200 millions spent in it, having a playable alpha, still in progress, is less than the minimum.

Technically not a scam, maybe, but between incompetence and dishonesty, surely.

A game of that size and scope, with a team a lot smaller than what AAA studios have nowadays, the was to be expected from the get-go.

I didn't invest any money into the game because the genre ain't my kind of tea. But knowing fully well what they were planning (and still doing), I knew that it would take a long while to get there.

For the scope and size of the game, imagine all 4 Mass Effect games rolled into one, , double it again, and have higher production value as either of them. How long did Bioware need for 4 Mass Effect titles? How many are working there and how many on Star Citizen?

The game is regularly updated with new features, bugfixes, what have you. If that's a scam, then every game which promises a roadmap of new features, aka every fucking GaaS (Game as a Service) is a fucking scam too, as they don't do anything different on that front, and you can go right out and sue the shit out of EA, Activision, Bethesda, etc... But how come nobody calls them scammers? Even though they don't just do the same, but on top of it rip you off in legal daylight robbery with microtransactions, lootboxes and whatsnot?

Well according to Forbes they have 537 employees.
Don't know how long it took them to recruit that many, but I doubt they all came within the past few months.
That's quite a bit bigger than most AAA studios.



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Still interested in the game, but I never gave them a cent, as I saw quite soon that excessive ambition was lengthening the time of the definitive version's release too much. Sad it went so bad, the work they have done up until now is impressive, but they surely organized it very badly, they should have instead settled on producing a smaller, but complete game universe earlier and expanding it after in a modular way. I hope they'll stop chasing ever moving goals for a while and be able to complete at least what they already took to a good level of development.
I wonder if Roberts suffers from excessive envy for the large, varied and iconic world his colleague and former associate Lord British was able to create (Roberts created a very successful franchise too in their golden age, but its universe never reached Britannia's depth and complexity, and its success and influence lasted shorter).



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Wyrdness said:

I feel like I've been hearing of this game for the longest time but haven't seen much of it to warrant it's near 8 year development time.

They have a fully realized city-planet. As in a full, spherical planet that is convincingly complex, covered coast to coast in cyberpunk city. I get that it's a meme that it's development is a scam when they are making real headway on ideas that actual released video games haven't even touched conceptually. I don't care literally at all about this game, but it's always weird to me when people are surprised that a game attempting to do what this game is is taking as long as this game is.

How long do people think it's supposed to take to develop procedural planetary-scale city-building software, on top of everything else this game is supposed to have at the level of detail it's supposed to have?



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Cerebralbore101 said:

I've already written the game off years ago. Not because it's taking so long to be finished. That's fine. But because they are selling ship packages for hundreds or thousands of dollars. Ships for a game that isn't finished. For a digital product. It costs them $0 to send you a ship in the game. This is absurd and unprecedented. It would be as if an MMO started selling staffs, and swords for hundreds of dollars. Do people realize these are digital items? 

The game could get glowing reviews and it wouldn't matter to me. Any game with this level of greed is bound to be zero fun. 

If the game comes out in a finished state that literally supports the 1% richest folk in the world, then yeah, I'd likely move on to something else by then. But until then, I'll wait and see if the promise is kept by the time of it's eventual release, that not everything is going to cost literally hundreds of thousands of dollars. 



               

spemanig said:
Wyrdness said:

I feel like I've been hearing of this game for the longest time but haven't seen much of it to warrant it's near 8 year development time.

They have a fully realized city-planet. As in a full, spherical planet that is convincingly complex, covered coast to coast in cyberpunk city. I get that it's a meme that it's development is a scam when they are making real headway on ideas that actual released video games haven't even touched conceptually. I don't care literally at all about this game, but it's always weird to me when people are surprised that a game attempting to do what this game is is taking as long as this game is.

How long do people think it's supposed to take to develop procedural planetary-scale city-building software, on top of everything else this game is supposed to have at the level of detail it's supposed to have?

When you've been given over 200m and have five different massive teams it's reasonable for people to expect something I don't buy this ambition defence as many games have ambition, they made a big fancy map so? What is there to do on the map exactly that no other game with a smaller is doing and is it really worth while to warrant all this time? It reminds me of Shenmue back in the day when it was the most detailed game but most of that detail hardly amounted to much in how the game played.



This "scam" has been known for a good while now.I honestly dont know how they still keep getting money, and how people spend thousands of dollars into a game that will probably take another ten years to officialy release.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

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