Hey I don't take this seriously. Also your response was not passive aggressive? Hehe.

Pot calling kettle black.

Yeah shows you how much they care right! Let's give a more welcoming message to these people even if there's not enough facilities and handle them! And let's call it kids in the cages during Trump but something different during Biden!

Remember when the media paints it as if authorities where whipping migrants like slaves? Boy, everyone had a field day. White house quickly chimes in to condemn it! Whoops, turns out the shot was out of context and that the migrants were trying to grab the horse's reigns.

At the same time, when several people died in a truck due to Human Trafficking, news coverage wasn't that much.

So much care!

Thanks for debunking it yourself. Still implies that there are good people. Otherwise, why would he be referring to "you" if there's no one?

Also imagine caring about left or right if the ideas are good.

Because it was so relevant to call that guy in the video Tucker Carlson wannabe just to setup the discrediting of the video.

But yeah. Let's use politifact, which is very bias, to make a point!

Well whose fault is it the migrants were dispersed into a locale without migrant facilities?  That was no only on purpose, it was also dangerous. And then a whataboutism.

Followed by another whataboutism.

Finally, another whataboutism. 

So much care that one party continually tries to accommodate migrants, provide faster pathways to citizenship, address their actual needs and the other party just uses them as pawns, literally. 

Where is the hypocrisy though? The people of Martha's Vineyard were nothing but accommodating. What could they have done better in your eyes at an individual level, to better reflect pro-immigrant values? Y'all have been going back and forth about this topic for a few pages now, but I don't think you've really addressed and supported the core of that argument.

You should have realized it was exactly the point to use the very same attitude and wording you used in response to you. But I guess since you view my response as being such you actually agree to the point made, that you were being passive aggressive.

"Hey I don't take this seriously" is also passive aggressive you know? It entails that I'm the one to take the matter too seriously without actually saying it.

Also reading some of your comments to others, this particular behavior seems to be by default with you. You should realize that such behavior is inflammatory and an actual form of aggression as the name suggest. So, of course, it leads to passionate response from everyone else.

Apparently they don't need to be any better for half the country to believe them. Immigrants are here legally seeking asylum? Call them all illegals anyway. Immigrants commit crime at dramatically lower rates than natural citizens? Paint them all (bUt nOt aLL!) as rapists and gang members! Border policy is largely the same as before (just with less deliberate cruelty) and Trump says the border wall was all but completed? Just say the border is wide open!!!

Why bother making sense when you don't have to? All the facts in the world don't care about cowards' feelings.

BIASED TOWARDS THE TRUTH! 

Ha, gottem boys. 

Just finished watching this. Man it's so painful to watch Hannity, Tucker Carlson, and Ben Shapiro talk. Like, every other sentence out of their mouth is a lie built on all the prior sentences, and they say it with such arrogance and confidence that, like, 20 minutes worth of their material needs nearly an hour to debunk everything they say. It's profoundly frustrating that these people get to keep feeling smug when they're so aggressively WRONg about EVERYTHING. 

Any time I see a tucker carlson or Ben shapiro video, I make it 30 seconds in before my brain explodes from all the logical fallacies, bad arguments, blatant racism, and wannabe 'gotcha' journalism they try. 

If anyone actually takes a few seconds to actually google virtually anything they say, they'll find it to be wrong or misleading or unrepresentative of the truth. and unfortunately, both Carlson and Shapiro have mastered the chain link fallacy. you know, say one thing that's kinda maybe true if you squint, then using that 'fact' to lead into another fact which is even less correct, then another take that's bad but makes sense if you assume the first two facts are true, then more and more bad takes and false facts (Some might call it fake news) because they started their chain of lies with a 'fact' that sounds true if you present it the right way. So much of their style relies on hooking people in the first few statements and pretending the chain of causality leads to their bonkers bullshit when it just...plain....DOESN'T. 

Like, the amount of effort that SHOULD be needed to debunk them is 'you're full of shit and wrong about 95% of what you've said", but unfortunately you have to go 'no, this is false, you're misrepresenting the facts here, that's why this is false, and studies have shown that fact 4 in your line doesn't actually lead to the fact 5 you posited, and therefore the entire basis for points 6-24 are based on lies but let's pretend that any of those first six facts are true - which they aren't - and that still doesn't mean 8 or 9 are correct, there's no study to prove 10 has any basis in reality, 11-14 are just blatant racism but we're not allowed to call you racist even though you're displaying all the traits of textbook racism (But you didn't say the N-word so I guess it's not racism according to you, the racist in denial?)" 

and so on.

and so forth.

It's so exhausting because they start from a point that sounds right if you don't actually check the facts, or sounds right based off the VERY selective logic and just goes off the rails. 

Arguing with these guys feels like watching the series finale of Game of Thrones. Every sentence I had to pause it just to rant for 5 minutes about how NONE OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID MAKES ANY SENSE. 

sorry, it's just so remarkably frustrating that this entire political party, which is known for being batshit insane, wrong about everything, racist about most things, and ignorant of the one thing they're supposed to be good at (Economics) get to pretend they're equal to those who...you know, actually go to fucking school and learn how to interpret data, have empathy, and can parse good facts from bad. 

I hate this idea that 'fact checking is biased'....like the whole point wasn't to be unbiased. That statement right there, as made by Iron megalith, is the crux of so much of what I hate about modern political discourse. an entire political party gets to whine about 'bias' in unbiased sources becuase they can't or are unwilling to handle the fact that REALITY DOES NOT AGREE WITH THEIR BULLSHIT. 

"Science is Biased. Fact checking is biased." YOU DON'T GET TO DISMISS THE TRUTH JUST BECAUSE IT MAKES YOU LOOK BAD OR THAT YOU DON'T AGREE WITH IT! It just so happens to be that reality does not support republican values. Not anymore. and I'm sick of pretending like their opinions are just as valid as those who actually follow the facts.