What you missing is it much easier to convince someone they better go along with you when the people of there state voted for you.  All those conservative senators you talk about also just saw Johnson win there state.  Donald Trump won 69% of voters in west Virginia.  It was a landslide not even close.  The problem is Biden have no power to turn west VA against Manchin unlike Johnson who could go to those senators and tell them your state just voted for me to do this.  

Please. Florida also went for Trump in both 2016 and 2020, but a ballot initiative to establish a $15/hour minimum wage in Florida got 61% of the votes cast there in November. What that goes to show you is that there are indeed many Donald Trump voters who support a $15/hour minimum wage. It also flies in the face of your assumption that support for such was an increase in the minimum wage enjoys levels of support that vary widely by state since 61% is also the exact level of support current polling says that a $15/hour minimum wage enjoys nationwide.

That not my point through.  My point is not that minimum wage is not popular.  My point is the democratic party is not in west va.  As you said Democrats controlled the south back in 1964.  It also meant they was replaceable as who ever won the primary had a good chance of winning.

The alternative to Manchin in west VA is a republican. Therefore it just harder to apply leverage to him to get him to do what you want.

This may come as a shock to you, but I value eating a lot more than I value Joe Manchin's political career.

Maybe you confuse what am debating.  I am for raising minimum raise.  I am for applying what pressure they can.  What am saying is at the end of the day it Joe Manchin decision weather he vote for it or not.  No one can make him vote for it.  If he says no then they need to pass a bill that he will vote for.  Passing nothing not going to help you one bit.

Therefore I not going to blame Joe Biden and the Democratic party if they fail to convince Joe Manchin to vote for it.  I also understand why they might prefer to apply the pressure in private rather then public as without Joe Manchin they simply cant pass anything since it unlikely republicans going to help them and public attacking him might make him more resistance as he be afraid it look like he caving to the liberals which would be bad for him in his state.

What I am saying is am assuming Joe Manchin is a selfish person that care more about his political career then you eating and therefore the people in the senate who do care have to work around what they can get him to do otherwise nobody going to get any help at all.

Lyndon Johnson was not successful because he convince those conservative democrats it was the right thing to do.  He was successful because he convince them that he would make them pay a heavy price if they did not.

All I was saying is Joe Biden don't have the leverage that Johnson had to make him pay if he don't vote for it.

They don't even try to hide their corruption any more.

This party can't die fast enough.

That Link gives me a Page Not found and second it was my mistake, I was talking about elected official.  Meaning, I could not find not one GOP elected official in favor of M4A.  I will not argue this point because all GOP elected officials have never been in favor of such changes to healthcare but they continue to be elected.  Could that mean that Republican constituents actually to not see this as a top priority issue. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/46-percent-of-republicans-want-medicare-for-all-new-poll-says/ar-BB13awYb

Also this link I found only show 46% of Republicans constituents care support M4A.  Its evident that this is not enough to move any republican for any bill that includes it but the real key would be how many Republicans support M4A in each state, especially the ones that are in predominant right leaning states. This link on the other hands shows an even bigger support which is the public option proposed by Biden instead of Bernie plan and better support from conservatives because it gives a choice to the option.  

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/medicare-for-all-isnt-that-popular-even-among-democrats/

So in reality, you are really only talking about Dem support for M4A more than Republican constituents and it evident that since Republican constituents gained seats that M4A is not top priority on their list when it comes to electing officials.  

So how long is this pressure program is going to take.  You and Jaicee keep saying you want something done now.  So how long do you believe this Pressure tactic is going to take to get even one GOP Senator to vote for M4A or even get Joe Manchin to vote for minimum wage increase based on the states they represent.  How long will this awareness going to happen.  Was it not you that stated that the Dems keeping the Senate was a pipe dream so the need to do something now was important.  So what is your now solution because who is to say that in 2022, the Dems even keep the house, let alone the Senate.

The bolded. Exactly. Johnson's legislative successes and his landslide 61% of the vote in 1964, carrying 44 states, are both feats the Democratic Party hasn't replicated since. That victory was also marked by the sacrifice of five Southern states to his Republican opponent that Democratic candidates had traditionally won. That was the trade-off, and it went to show that Johnson wasn't someone who was dragged around by the more conservative members of his party.

Johnson was a shrewd, cynical, cold-blooded and ruthless politician's politician and that's exactly what made him such an effective president. He didn't have that much of an ideological persuasion per se in reality and much of what he said publicly was bullshit. But he recognized winning issues when he saw that they were now expedient to his political career and wanted to go down in history as an accomplished Commander in Chief who didn't just win elections, but who absolutely crushed his opponents, controlled his party at all times, and set the national agenda at all times. He didn't always succeed, but that was his ambition, and he knew when to bow out.

Much as he's trying to, Joe Biden doesn't convince me that he's that kind of leader. Nancy Pelosi, yes. Joe Biden, no. Give me a soulless, "unlikeable" politician who improves my life any day of the week over a nice guy who doesn't.

You realise what a huge deal it is to have about 50% of Reps support the M4A, regardless of the bad press it has received directed at that voting group, without even having one Rep Senator in favour of it , or it never even being pushed onto the Rep voter ever, imagine if a concerted effort was applied to further inform that constituency, image the pressure on those Rep Senators in time, wouldn't it be nice to see them squirm

You ask how long a pressure program will take, and that's a fair question, who knows, but doing business as usual has been a dismal failure for decades, why wouldn't you try? 

Actually no I do not know what a huge deal it is until they vote for it by supporting elected officials who also campaign for it.  You let me know when that happens because right now it must not be even the top 3 issues on Republican constituents agenda if they are not bringing it up in town halls, rallies, news site or anything.  You have a poll for some reason you believe that's an auto win but not one conservative site is pushing for it which means its regulated to a nice to have compared to a must have.  

Here a report I looked up for the top political issues and though healthcare is top for Dems, its like 7 place for Republicans.  So evidently, they are not going to hold their party to M4A.

We still are at the same place, you want something now, what do you do.  Do you wait until your pressure campaign is successful which can take at the least 2 years and at the most never.