Maybe you not familiar with West Virginia but I can Guarantee you if they had successfully primary Joe Manchin out in 2018 that right now the republicans would be in control of the senate 49-51 and that absolutely nothing would be getting done over the next 2 years.

You may be frustrated with Joe Machin but he is the only democrat that can win in west VA so until the Democrats can win in enough areas that they don't need his vote they stuck with negotiating with him because negotiating with Joe Machin is still a million times better then doing it with republicans.

It's just the same cop out speak as other moderates have come up with that has got the working poor no where for decades 

Bernie's movement has made progress in getting his ideas into the mainstream despite constant resistance from the "moderates" in the Dems blocking his progressive ideas at every step, but he has persisted and even now some of those moderates are reluctantly moving forward like Biden, without Bernie's dedication God knows what progress would have happened by now, my guess is nothing but the status quo for decades to come 

Your last point about why Trumps ideas even with canvasing didn't do so well so therefore progressive ideas being pushed will also fail is sadly missing the point and is a classic case of moderate thinking 

Good ideas like M4A, Green New Deal, Higher minimum wages, Free college to name a few, are not compatible with ideas like building a wall to keep Mexicans out, dismantling environmental protections for oil and gas giants, tax breaks for the rich to name just a few   

Most progressives have confidence that if people are made aware of the actually polices and how it compares to their local senators voting record they will make the right choice

Making compromises and not actually getting anything done over decades of compromises is the moderate Dem way, the get nothing done for workers Dems

Bernie has a plan to deal with those senators that refuse to budge by involving the people to clearly speak up to their local senator once exposed by huge ad campaigns exposing them, the comprised way of the Rep lites (Est. Dems) have made lives for the working poor worse for decades, for Christ sake try something different    

Let me make this very simple.  How do you get 60 votes to pass filibuster in the Senate.  When you can answer this question you let me know because if you cannot get 60 votes you do not have control in the Senate.  Since the majority of bills must past filibuster to even hit the floor, you tell me how will that be accomplished.  If you do not understand this very important fact about how the Senate operate, why are you even responding.

Bernie plans mean nothing to the GOP, it will do absolutely nothing to move any GOP Senator and if there is a Dem moderate in a predominant state that lean right, it will also do absolutely nothing.  There is some serious pie in the sky type of thinking going on but I believe the reason you believe such measures will work because you really do not understand how the Senate works.

You make compromise because you have to know what you can actually get done and move forward.  The ACA was actually just that, the only reason why it even got pass filibuster was because the Dems had just enough including independents and I believe 3 GOP to get it done.  After that, Obama and the Dems could not get anything moved because they lost seats and then the GOP took control.  This was the start of the do nothing congress.

Anyway, getting back to the very important point so I will reiterate it again, how do you get 60 votes to pass filibuster!!

I'll make it real simple for you

The compromise option the Dems have taken for decades has led to what we have today, the working poor have been going backwards, the middle class have been going backwards, they haven't even got gun control to work, and with the Dems compromises the Rich have done amazingly, they are rolling in it (and not just BS)  

So excuse me if I'm not convinced  

Still have not answered my question.  How do you get 60 votes.  You are wasting time with everything else because none of that means anything unless you can get to 60 votes in the Senate.  I am not trying to convince you of anything, I am trying to understand where you believe the Dems will get 60 votes to accomplish everything you think they should be doing.  Once you can solve that problem then everything else changes but until then, compromise is where its at because no matter how you believe the Dems can just think it and it will be done, 60 votes is still required. 

Well that's disingenuous pretending I gave no answer, gaslighting is your usual fall back, you ignore my answer which is actually Bernie's answer on how he sees it to get the votes changed of Dem and/or Rep senators, by using the people who are informed in each constituency to the point that each senator cant ignore the existential threat to their re-election

Bernie believes his progressive ideas hold water with the people who need them, not the rich senators, so he goes straight to the people and around the senators, not going to constantly repeat it as all you need to do is look at previous posts of mine

Anyway answer my question.. How have the Dems done with their compromise model for the working poor in the US over the decades? Explain to me how much the standard of living of the working poor has raised to heights never seen before? How has that worked out? :/ 

Well that's disingenuous pretending I gave no answer, gaslighting is your usual fall back, you ignore my answer which is actually Bernie's answer on how he sees it to get the votes changed of Dem and/or Rep senators, by using the people who are informed in each constituency to the point that each senator cant ignore the existential threat to their re-election

Bernie believes his progressive ideas hold water with the people who need them, not the rich senators, so he goes straight to the people and around the senators, not going to constantly repeat it as all you need to do is look at previous posts of mine

Anyway answer my question.. How have the Dems done with their compromise model for the working poor in the US over the decades? Explain to me how much the standard of living of the working poor has raised to heights never seen before? How has that worked out? :/ 

Oh, I am sorry, I did not know you actually believed Bernie answer was an actual answer to getting 60 votes or more in the Senate by just advertising in a GOP right leaning state.  Ok, if that is your answer, I would love to know why it would be successful. How long do you believe this advertising effort will take and how much cash will it involve.  I am not knocking the ideal, I just believe that is more pie in the sky type of thinking if you have no experience interacting with people who think totally different then you.  Lets think this through for a sec, if Bernie progressive views hold so much water, why did he not even come close to winning the Dem primary.  

The fact is as Sundin pretty much stated is that the people on the right and on the left do not believe in a total progressive strategy.  Its not like people do not know what Bernie stands for and his policies, especially Dems.  The issues is that people do not believe in them and thinking that some advertising effort will suddenly make them see the light appears as if you have not paid attention to the elections for the last decade or better.

As to what compromise will do, well it get actual issues on the Senate floor for a vote.  When that happens, it actually gets certain bills an actual chance of success like the ACA which would not have happen without compromise.  There was no way it would have passed the Senate if Dems and Obama did not get those 3 GOP members to vote on it and they had to compromise in order to get the deal done.  If the Dems actually kept control longer you probably would have seen a lot more stuff done but then McConnell took over and we know what happen from there on.

Hell, you got your 600 bucks stimulus which definitely would not have happen since every other bill did not even make it to the floor.  Now that the Dems have the deciding vote on issues that does not go to filibuster they can pass some stuff but even so the majority of issues will still require 60 votes.  

The thing is you seem to have a lot of faith in Bernie, the problem is that not enough people who vote even within the Dem party do.

Again, we've already seen how Bernie's candidate fared in West Virginia. First they got stomped by Joe Manchin, then they got stomped by a republican. Unfortunately we just don't exist in a fantasy land where progressive candidates are viable in deep red states. In fact, it is quite possible that Joe Manchin is the only Democrat who could win a Senate seat in WV short term.

We simply wouldn't be sitting here discussing $1400 checks and minimum wage increases if it weren't for the moderate/conservative Democrats holding seats in Red states, even if those checks and minimum wage increases aren't as high as you'd like. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the only way to fulfill a progressive agenda is by following the votes of the people. In 2020 we elected a Moderate Democrat as president, lost seats in the House and earned a split senate. It isn't the government who has failed to bring a full and complete progressive agenda to the table, it is the people who have failed to vote for one.

Nobody wants to compromise their positions, but until the people put us in a position where compromise isn't necessary, it is the only tool we have available.