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Runa216 said:
Snoopy said:

And this right here is a perfectly encapsulated representation of the modern republican! 

"Uh oh, something got complicated and nuanced, better disregard it!"

I guess you didn't get the Joke. I agreed with your first few sentences and made a sarcastic post. Oh well, I guess some Democrats are unable to understand jokes.



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LurkerJ said:
Runa216 said:

Please don't perpetuate that hatemongering idiot's opinions. Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, and so, SO many other Fox/republican personalites are just so goddamn toxic and wrong and ignorant and stupid and wrong about everything always. 

Don't tell me what to share and what not to share. If you can't be bothered to engage in a discussion regarding the content just ignore. 

Regarding the video, I have had similar concerns regarding China for a while, it's shocking how too many smart people let China become the monster it is today for greedy short term goals. 

I will tell you what to share, because Tucker Carlson is a shitty, disingenuous, wrong person flaunting his ignorance as wisdom and it's actively making the world a worse place. He's disgusting, he's wrong about virtually everything he says, and people believe him because he says it with consistency and self-assuredness. Almost everything he says is either hilariously wrong, morally abhorrent, or completely disingenuous. 

People like him and Tomi Lahren and Ben Shapiro and yes even dear president trump need a team of fact-checkers on everything they say becuase they're so consistently wrong about so many things so quickly that the wave of stupidity crashes over their viewers before they have time to think about what he said. If people did a sentence-by-sentence breakdown on the things he said, correcting or checking validity, the fact-checker's essay would be 4x as long as Tucker Carlson's nonsense. 

His rapid-fire-ignorance is exactly how stupid people come to follow this horribly wrong rhetoric. He says a thing that's wrong but kinda sounds right if you don't think too hard on it, then he moves onto the next wrong thing that the mindset of 'that seems right' plants itself in your head and just keeps going until he's done his rant of stupidity. 

So many republican representatives are like that, and it's gross that it works. 

https://youtu.be/2vMK-p6-M5E

https://youtu.be/aDMjgOYOcDw

I know you won't watch them (between the two videos it's nearly two hours of a dude just breaking down a bunch of the stupid shit Ben Shapiro and tucker Carlson have said and why their argument style is dangerous and how they managed to get such a following despite being easily provably wrong on pretty much everything)



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EricHiggin said:
sundin13 said:

Not the best metaphor (as per usual). Most American's don't have the option of "quitting" the country. You are going to live in it one way or the other. Same with "buying". If you don't choose the lesser of two evil's your "money" is still going to the person who wins.

If you want to use that metaphor, it would me more like, if there are two things up for sale and you choose to buy neither, a group of idiots will make the decision for you and pay for it with your money.

You really need to stop with the metaphors...

So the world should have kept building reactors based on the Chernobyl plant design and allowed the same disaster to happen over and over because going against it and stopping it would be a waste of time? We should just let the powers that be do whatever they want because they will anyway?

Yet you offered one just as bad if not worse. Maybe you should take your own advice, or does it only apply to others?

Dude, you need to stop with these analogies. They are painfully bad.

Again, you do not have a third option of simply not having a President. That isn't how voting works. Why do you continue to imply that, if you don't like the two options, not voting will produce a superior outcome to voting for the lesser of two evils? It won't. You are going to get one of the available options, so either you can make the decision about who the lesser of two evils is, or you can let some idiots make that decision for you.

Every single time I've seen you make an analogy, it has been painfully broken. Why do you keep trying? Nobody is struggling with the idea of voting for a president and thinks "You know, this would be so much easier to understand if it was compared to Chernobyl". It is just unnecessary.



the-pi-guy said:
EricHiggin said:

Are you saying that the sun doesn't create solar flares that are large ejecting explosions that could potentially be hazardous to the Earth? What underlying process allows this to take place? Are we trying to replicate that process?

To put it simply what relevance do solar flares have to do with anything currently being discussed or even relatively politically related?  

Neither solar power or nuclear fusion have anything to do with solar flares....  

The Sun is basically a supermassive rotating nuclear explosion, massively larger than the Earth.  The flares are caused by the Sun's magnetic field, which is caused by the massive amounts of charged movement.  

You'll have to follow the conversation. 

If there wasn't nuclear fusion happening at the core of the sun, would there still be solar flares?



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sundin13 said:
EricHiggin said:

So the world should have kept building reactors based on the Chernobyl plant design and allowed the same disaster to happen over and over because going against it and stopping it would be a waste of time? We should just let the powers that be do whatever they want because they will anyway?

Yet you offered one just as bad if not worse. Maybe you should take your own advice, or does it only apply to others?

Dude, you need to stop with these analogies. They are painfully bad.

Again, you do not have a third option of simply not having a President. That isn't how voting works. Why do you continue to imply that, if you don't like the two options, not voting will produce a superior outcome to voting for the lesser of two evils? It won't. You are going to get one of the available options, so either you can make the decision about who the lesser of two evils is, or you can let some idiots make that decision for you.

Every single time I've seen you make an analogy, it has been painfully broken. Why do you keep trying? Nobody is struggling with the idea of voting for a president and thinks "You know, this would be so much easier to understand if it was compared to Chernobyl". It is just unnecessary.

Well you won't know if you just keep voting. How do you think the free market works? Are you forced to buy a certain product you want, even if both companies make a lousy version of it? Can you refuse to purchase it, complain in some manner, and eventually get a better version from either of those companies or a new start up? That's not possible in politics?

It was based off of a general point of not doing something because it could end up bad, which could be anything. It's not directly related to Chernobyl, and if that's what you're trying to link it to, then no wonder why you're lost.



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SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

ST - 1). If you're going to ask a question about something that isn't relevant to the point being made, then don't expect a detailed response to it. If you're then going to point out how I clearly know nothing, 2). then ask me to explain that point to you, well. 3). The point was nuclear fusion, yet you keep focusing on solar flares. Again, you're shifting the conversion and trying to make it seem like 4). I'm proposing something crazy when 5). it's you who's making up the hard to explain scenario.

6). This was all about the possibilities of clean tech going wrong. 7). Creating clean energy that could potentially lead to a solar bomb in this case. 8). Well the sun does just that, and we're trying to mimic what makes the sun tick. Possibilities. 9). If you'd like to prove how that's wrong and impossible, then go for it.

10). *ST - If you can't explain why it's wrong, then just say so.*I already asked for an explanation, and you've refused to give one. If you're so willing to help me figure it out, then why haven't you?

1). Something that isn't relevant?  If solar flares are not relevant, why bring them up?

2). Uh, I did.  Several times.

3). Because you brought them up as some potentially replicated hazard here on Earth.

4). Yes, it's crazy.

5). It's your frikkin scenario.  I quoted you.  Bolded, italicized and underlined it.

6). Yes, and I asked you to use your imagination and tell us how a solar farm could become something as potentially dangerous as Chernobyl. You're answer was solar flares.

7). A solar bomb?  Do you mean fusion?  Do you understand the difference between fusion (in stars) and fission (common nuclear power plants like
Chernobyl)?  First off, solar flares are not a result of fusion.  It's about magnetism and electron-plasma interaction and it's a circumstance that would be impossible to replicate here on earth.

8). Sort of.  Yes, the fusion part is being attempted but not the mechanisms that maintain it.  Fusion by itself does not have the runaway chain reaction effect that Fission does. Once any operational factor is moved outside operating ranges (temperature, pressure, magnetics, etc...) the whole thing stops.  You can't fuse anymore atoms.  They can't do a nuclear meltdown like Chernobyl.  It literally works in the opposite direction.

9). I just did.

10). Because you provided the scenario.  You cannot assert something and expect others to explain your own assertion for you.  The process for doing that is asking a question.

Instead of this: "The sun creates mini solar (flare) bombs all the time, which are potentially hazardous to Earth. We are now trying to replicate that ourselves here on Earth."

Do this: The sun creates mini solar (flare) bombs all the time, which are potentially hazardous to Earth. Is that something new nuclear power technologies and solar farms can replicate ourselves here on Earth?

That assertion suggests you believe we can create solar flares on Earth via fusion reactions and solar farms.  It makes us question you about how that is possible.

The question, rather, asks if such a thing is possible and we'd be more open to immediately address it.

-Not relevant to the main point. Are we really going to try and cherry pick things that were said and pretend that's what the focus was? That goes both ways.

-What? LOL.

-Something similar to solar flares would be impossible to mimic on Earth? Not possible in anyway? What about something similar to the way the sun works at it's core? Is that possible?

-I realize you think that.

-Quoting and misunderstanding/misrepresenting what was meant are not the same thing.

-It was nuclear fusion, which can lead to solar flares, as well as other explosion type events.

-Yes I do. Do you? Without nuclear fusion at the core of the sun, solar flares would still be possible?

-Was a nuclear meltdown planned or anticipated at Chernobyl? If so, why did they build it or why didn't they stop/avoid it? Did something unanticipated go wrong?

-Proof? LOL.

-You said I was wrong because I clearly didn't know anything, yet you kept asking for an explanation. I asked for you to explain to me then, based on your knowledge. You refused. Then you offered to help explain. I asked why you haven't explained yet then. You replied again above, without proving what little you tried to justify.

You already answered that question and said it's not possible, so why are you saying I should ask if it's possible so we can address it?



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LurkerJ said:
Runa216 said:

Please don't perpetuate that hatemongering idiot's opinions. Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, and so, SO many other Fox/republican personalites are just so goddamn toxic and wrong and ignorant and stupid and wrong about everything always. 

Don't tell me what to share and what not to share. If you can't be bothered to engage in a discussion regarding the content just ignore. 

Regarding the video, I have had similar concerns regarding China for a while, it's shocking how too many smart people let China become the monster it is today for greedy short term goals. 

Didn't realize America relied so heavily on Chinese medical products. Free health care? Hmm.

*Chinese medical products are far superior. China would never manipulate. China is the best.

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PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

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EricHiggin said:
LurkerJ said:

Don't tell me what to share and what not to share. If you can't be bothered to engage in a discussion regarding the content just ignore. 

Regarding the video, I have had similar concerns regarding China for a while, it's shocking how too many smart people let China become the monster it is today for greedy short term goals. 

Didn't realize America relied so heavily on Chinese medical products. Free health care? Hmm.

*Chinese medical products are far superior. China would never manipulate. China is the best.

And will continue to do so, since the american pharma giants asking prices are way above what most people can afford even with a healthcare plan while the chinese drugs are mostly generics. But that's only true in the US because nobody's there to reign in anybody in that domain - as opposed to virtually every other country in the world.

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SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

You'll have to follow the conversation. 

If there wasn't nuclear fusion happening at the core of the sun, would there still be solar flares?

Nuclear fusion does not cause solar flares.

a certain someone needs to understand that correlation is not causation. (Not you, you're fine)



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EricHiggin said:
sundin13 said:

Dude, you need to stop with these analogies. They are painfully bad.

Again, you do not have a third option of simply not having a President. That isn't how voting works. Why do you continue to imply that, if you don't like the two options, not voting will produce a superior outcome to voting for the lesser of two evils? It won't. You are going to get one of the available options, so either you can make the decision about who the lesser of two evils is, or you can let some idiots make that decision for you.

Every single time I've seen you make an analogy, it has been painfully broken. Why do you keep trying? Nobody is struggling with the idea of voting for a president and thinks "You know, this would be so much easier to understand if it was compared to Chernobyl". It is just unnecessary.

Well you won't know if you just keep voting. How do you think the free market works? Are you forced to buy a certain product you want, even if both companies make a lousy version of it? Can you refuse to purchase it, complain in some manner, and eventually get a better version from either of those companies or a new start up? That's not possible in politics?

It was based off of a general point of not doing something because it could end up bad, which could be anything. It's not directly related to Chernobyl, and if that's what you're trying to link it to, then no wonder why you're lost.

You: *Compares voting to buying a product*

Me: Your analogy of "buying" a product doesn't work for voting because you end up having to purchase a product even if you don't vote (ie, a President gets elected).

You: Yeah, but what if we compare voting....to buying a product

Dude...

Its time to stop.