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EricHiggin on 16 January 2020
the-pi-guy said:
EricHiggin said:

Do you not see the point I was making?

Incoherent means confusing and unclear. You really think that everyone clearly understood everything Elon was saying in that tweet, and beyond that, the deeper meaning behind it?

It should also be apparent, based not only on how Trump speaks now compared to his past, and how other Presidents have spoken, that it's not coincidence that there's a pattern of shorter sentences with pauses in between, more often than not. It's been made clear by many, especially in this thread, that what a President says is about as meaningful as it get's. It's almost like whoever is President, would want to speak in that type of manner, to give them time to think things through, before saying something that will be seen as extremely unacceptable.

Before you point out what Trump always says is 'unacceptable', if Trump went around saying he thinks it's highly unlikely this is base reality, do you think the media and people in general would say it's because he's a genius, or would he get the same negative treatment he always does?

I can't speak Chinese, but that doesn't make me think that everything Chinese people say is incoherent nonsense. Who's to say it's not though?

I can't speak Chinese, but that doesn't make me think that everything Chinese people say is incoherent nonsense. Who's to say it's not though?

That's not what incoherence is about.  

It's not about understanding what is being said, it's about things like logical meaning behind what is being said.  Whether the logic and the grammar flow.  

> if Trump went around saying he thinks it's highly unlikely this is base reality, do you think the media and people in general would say it's because he's a genius

Smart people can say dumb things and dumb people can say smart things every once in a while.  The difference is you can look at their history. 

>Do you not see the point I was making?

You're trying to make the point that coherence is based off who is reading.  Person A might not be able to understand person C, but person B can understand.  So person C seems incoherent to A, but they make perfect sense to B.  

The problem is, you're basically arguing "hey, maybe neither of us can understand it, but someone out there could".  

And when you take that stance you're basically arguing by nullifying what words mean.  Because you can't call anything incoherent, unless you can show no one can understand something, and it's not possible to show that every person is incapable of understanding a statement.  

It's a ludicrous argument.  

So if two people have an understanding just by body language, like in a fight, but nobody else who's watching in the area does, is that communication incoherent or not? Is that fight nonsense because those others don't understand why it happened?

How much Musk history is available vs Trump history? How much positive vs negative pushed coverage is there of Musk vs Trump?

No they thought they understood something but were incorrect. Yet they keep arguing with me, even though they, or we, don't understand each other.

You've got and Englishman and a Chinaman arguing and neither speaks the other language.

Want to guess who wins the argument?



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EricHiggin on 16 January 2020
SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

The first is basically Chinese, even to him.
Second:
"People who you are fighting..... may love their kids." lol WTF? Ya so what?
"Yara goes to school with my daughter." lol WTF? Ya so what?
"If all you're doing is casting stones..uuuhhh......" lol.

It's almost as if before and after the Presidency, he wasn't such a great speaker, which he is so well known for, yet is praised for that by some.
Trump is himself for the most part, which obviously works based on how things are going, yet he's hated by some and should be more 'Presidential'.

I thought it was progressive to be all about being yourself. So why do progressives seem to hate when that actually happens?

You absolutely do not get it.  Let me try an experiment.  Which of these examples is incoherent?

Example 1:
"Purple wind ran into a fire...that wind...fire...it took 3 days.  But only solo because he didn't carry trash bags. It's great though.  The fire was dry the whole time.  I like buttermilk tacos."

Example 2:
"OSPF is an open routing protocol for IPv4 that uses the Link State Routing algorithm for path determination.  It is an interior gateway protocol that was defined in RFC 2328 in 1998."

This can't work unless you're suggesting that Trump is purposely being incoherent.



EricHiggin on 16 January 2020
the-pi-guy said:

EricHiggin said:

The first is basically Chinese, even to him.
Second:
"People who you are fighting..... may love their kids." lol WTF? Ya so what?
"Yara goes to school with my daughter." lol WTF? Ya so what?
"If all you're doing is casting stones..uuuhhh......" lol.

It's almost as if before and after the Presidency, he wasn't such a great speaker, which he is so well known for, yet is praised for that by some.
Trump is himself for the most part, which obviously works based on how things are going, yet he's hated by some and should be more 'Presidential'.

I thought it was progressive to be all about being yourself. So why do progressives seem to hate when that actually happens?

>The first is basically Chinese, even to him.

Has absolutely nothing to do with what coherence is.

>"People who you are fighting..... may love their kids." lol WTF? Ya so what?

He's talking about how people can have good and bad qualities.  He's giving examples of how just because you're fighting with someone doesn't mean they're monsters.  

>"Yara goes to school with my daughter." lol WTF? Ya so what?

One random comment in the middle isn't the same as making an entire incoherent 2 minute interview question.  He still went back to what he was talking about before.  

>It's almost as if before and after the Presidency, he wasn't such a great speaker, which he is so well known for, yet is praised for that by some.

Obama is a decent public speaker.  Even at his worst moments during those speeches, nothing was as agonizing as Trump going off about something, something else, some third thing.  

I thought it was progressive to be all about being yourself. So why do progressives seem to hate when that actually happens?

Accepting that people are going to be themselves doesn't mean we should deal with people being bigots or idiots.  

Honestly sometimes, I wonder if you live in a different world from me where words have very different meanings.  Where the study of logic looks basically inside out from this universe's point of view.  

I disagree. He's just filling in gaps with whatever because it would sound even worse if he filled it with the long uuuhhh's like he did at the end.

The problem is it's fairly clear that there is no line. Being yourself is a decision progressives make on the spot, sometimes as a group, which is ridiculous. You can't properly run a country by making the rules up as you go. At the very least you have to have laws and standards, and maybe then they can be adjusted if it makes sense. How are people like Weinstein and Epstein allowed to do what they did, and thrive, with so many progressive people knowing and turning a blind eye? The same people who go around, promoting the fight against it. Cancel culture seems to be pretty lopsided as well for some odd reason. But hey, Gunn got fired, for a while, then was allowed to come back, even though the non progressives aren't. Nothing to see here.

At least they say it coherently...

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EricHiggin on 16 January 2020
SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

I disagree. He's just filling in gaps with whatever because it would sound even worse if he filled it with the long uuuhhh's like he did at the end.

The problem is it's fairly clear that there is no line. Being yourself is a decision progressives make on the spot, sometimes as a group, which is ridiculous. You can't properly run a country by making the rules up as you go. At the very least you have to have laws and standards, and maybe then they can be adjusted if it makes sense. How are people like Weinstein and Epstein allowed to do what they did, and thrive, with so many progressive people knowing and turning a blind eye? The same people who go around, promoting the fight against it.

At least they say it coherently...

Remember when I said you and Trump speak the same word salad language?

Remember when I talked about jumping the gun...



EricHiggin on 16 January 2020
SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

Remember when I talked about jumping the gun...

I don't think you understand what that idiom means.
几乎像是因为它是沙拉...

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Biggerboat1 on 16 January 2020
EricHiggin said:
SpokenTruth said:

Remember when I said you and Trump speak the same word salad language?

Remember when I talked about jumping the gun...

Maybe you should create poll on who is least coherent - Obama, Musk or Trump...?



EricHiggin on 16 January 2020
Biggerboat1 said:
EricHiggin said:

Remember when I talked about jumping the gun...

Maybe you should create poll on who is least coherent - Obama, Musk or Trump...?

Maybe on the same day a presidential election is determined solely by a popular vote.

Don't need polls to figure out how those turn out.



Bofferbrauer2 on 16 January 2020
EricHiggin said:
Biggerboat1 said:

Maybe you should create poll on who is least coherent - Obama, Musk or Trump...?

Maybe on the same day a presidential election is determined solely by a popular vote.

Don't need polls to figure out how those turn out.

Democrats win then, as usual.

After all, both Trump and Bush junior lost the popular vote.



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Biggerboat1 on 17 January 2020
EricHiggin said:
Biggerboat1 said:

Maybe you should create poll on who is least coherent - Obama, Musk or Trump...?

Maybe on the same day a presidential election is determined solely by a popular vote.

Don't need polls to figure out how those turn out.

What negative traits, if any, do you think Trump has relative to his peers?



LurkerJ on 17 January 2020

China just agreed to buy $200 billion worth of US products

"We think it is highly challenging for China to import $200 billion more goods and services from the US over the next two years without reducing imports from elsewhere," said analysts at UBS.

Agricultural goods account for a big chunk of the new purchases. Under the agreement, China will buy an additional $12.5 billion of those goods in year one, and then $19.5 billion in year two, compared to 2017.

Among the products it has promised to buy are soybeans, pork, cotton and wheat. Trade in soybeans and pork in particular has been hit hard as tensions have escalated between the world's two largest economies.

Both products were among thousands of US goods hit by Chinese tariffs in July 2018, in response to the Trump administration's taxes on $34 billion of Chinese goods.

In addition to the purchases announced on Wednesday, the initial deal provides better protection to American companies that have long complained about thefts of their intellectual property and trade secrets.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/16/business/us-china-phase-1-trade-deal-details/index.html

Hard to get an accurate picture of the new trade deals but so far it looks like Trump scored major wins for the American economy.