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KLAMarine on 08 September 2019

the-pi-guy said:

KLAMarine said:

"Ignoring the several other times when Trump mentioned it."

>So how many other times has Trump mentioned Alabama getting hit by the hurricane?

At least 3.  

KLAMarine said:

"Look, there's a hurricane outside our window.  Good thing we noticed. Good thing hurricanes always alert us to their presence to give us just enough time to get out of danger."

>As a hurricane approaches, warnings signs can be seen. Wind speeds increasing, heavier rain fall, and ocean swell can tell you there may be a hurricane approaching.

Emergency procedures have no purpose then.  

It's easy to evacuate a million people with no guidence or procedures.  Regardless of emergency.

KLAMarine said:

"You can say that Trump was speculating or whatever else.  I'm still going to say it's not okay for him to do that in matters like this."

>And I think it's perfectly fine. Issuing a warning can make people aware of potential weather hazards. They can then tune into the weather channel or a news network for further updates.

And I don't.  

It can lead to misinformation. 

KLAMarine said:

>Mr. or Ms. anonymous meteorologist, I think the problem was the NWS Birmingham tweet "spoke in absolute terms" about a weather event and seemed to ignore "the best forecast products available at the time" which showed Alabama potentially being affected.

"The Birmingham National Weather Service’s Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time."

Several people came forward about the comment, some anonymous and some that weren't.  

Former Chief, Hurricane Specialist Unit, National Hurricane Center, NOAA/NWS (retired).

"Monica Medina, a former top official at NOAA who served in the administrations of former Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clintons, said the statement "will make us less safe as a country."

"As a former @NOAA leader I can say two things with certainty. No NOAA Administrator I worked for would have done this. And I would have quit if I had been directed to agree to let this BS go out," she wrote on Twitter. 

Bill Read, who became director of the National Hurricane Center director during the Republican George W. Bush administration, said on Facebook the NOAA statement showed either an embarrassing lack of understanding of forecasting or “a lack of courage on their part by not supporting the people in the field who are actually doing the work. Heartbreaking.”"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/09/07/noaa-criticized-trump-hurricane-dorian-alabama/2248304001/

"At least 3."

>So can you link for me these three? I'd like to look at them myself.

"Emergency procedures have no purpose then.  

It's easy to evacuate a million people with no guidence or procedures.  Regardless of emergency."

>What the hell are you on about? Emergency procedures very much have a purpose: mitigating damage and preventing fatalities. Why would you think emergency procedures have no purpose!?

"And I don't.  

It can lead to misinformation."

>Better to prepare for a hurricane that isn't coming than to not prepare for a hurricane that is. In other words, Trump warning Alabama a hurricane is coming will at least give Alabama a heads up to anticipate and keep a sharp eye out for any incoming weather anomalies.

"Monica Medina, a former top official at NOAA who served in the administrations of former Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clintons, said the statement "will make us less safe as a country."

>Okay, how? How will it makes us less safe? I don't see an explanation on the how.



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tsogud on 08 September 2019

I'm a skeptic. I need video footage and pics with timestamps and birth certificates etc. to prove 45 is a real human and not a dumb lizard in a human suit. The burden of proof lies on everybody else, sorry.



 

sundin13 on 08 September 2019
KLAMarine said:
sundin13 said:

So are you not at all skeptical about that statement?

I assume you speak of "The Birmingham National Weather Service’s Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time."

I am skeptical. Thankfully, the NOAA page actually provides a link to their claim that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama. This is clearly demonstrated in Hurricane Advisories #15 through #41, which can be viewed at https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2019/DORIAN_graphics.php?product=wind_probs_34_F120

https://www.noaa.gov/news/statement-from-noaa

But you don't have any thoughts about whether these statements could be politically motivated statements to placate and in some ways, validate Trump?

Like, it is very worth noting that Trump's statements did not simply state that there is a very low probability of some wind hitting Alabama. He stated that Alabama (along with several other states) "will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated". Birmingham's statement was a response to this. That context is very much important in the overall discussion.

Since you don't seem to be able to google, I've included a link to Trump's tweet below:



KLAMarine on 08 September 2019
tsogud said:
I'm a skeptic. I need video footage and pics with timestamps and birth certificates etc. to prove 45 is a real human and not a dumb lizard in a human suit. The burden of proof lies on everybody else, sorry.

I posted footage of the man earlier in this thread. He certainly looks and sounds human.

sundin13 said:
KLAMarine said:

I assume you speak of "The Birmingham National Weather Service’s Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time."

I am skeptical. Thankfully, the NOAA page actually provides a link to their claim that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama. This is clearly demonstrated in Hurricane Advisories #15 through #41, which can be viewed at https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2019/DORIAN_graphics.php?product=wind_probs_34_F120

https://www.noaa.gov/news/statement-from-noaa

But you don't have any thoughts about whether these statements could be politically motivated statements to placate and in some ways, validate Trump?

Like, it is very worth noting that Trump's statements did not simply state that there is a very low probability of some wind hitting Alabama. He stated that Alabama (along with several other states) "will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated". Birmingham's statement was a response to this. That context is very much important in the overall discussion.

Since you don't seem to be able to google, I've included a link to Trump's tweet below:

"But you don't have any thoughts about whether these statements could be politically motivated statements to placate and in some ways, validate Trump?"

>That's not impossible but statements going against Trump could be politically motivated as well.

"Like, it is very worth noting that Trump's statements did not simply state that there is a very low probability of some wind hitting Alabama. He stated that Alabama (along with several other states) "will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated". Birmingham's statement was a response to this. That context is very much important in the overall discussion.

Since you don't seem to be able to google, I've included a link to Trump's tweet below:

"

>Allow me to copy-paste EXACTLY what it looks like:

"In addition to Florida - South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama, will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated. Looking like one of the largest hurricanes ever. Already category 5. BE CAREFUL! GOD BLESS EVERYONE!"

It's very true that Alabama is mentioned here, no question about that, but recall NOAA's statement https://www.noaa.gov/news/statement-from-noaa : "From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama" so Trump was not wrong to include Alabama in his list.

And to Trump's credit, he was never clear on how exactly Alabama, or any other state for that matter, would be impacted.

I'm not seeing anything particularly objectionable in this tweet.

By the way, thank you. You actually provided a tweet from the president's actual twitter account. You gave me more than just hearsay.



tsogud on 08 September 2019
KLAMarine said:
tsogud said:
I'm a skeptic. I need video footage and pics with timestamps and birth certificates etc. to prove 45 is a real human and not a dumb lizard in a human suit. The burden of proof lies on everybody else, sorry.

I posted footage of the man earlier in this thread. He certainly looks and sounds human.

Being a skeptic I don't take hearsay. Could you provide me with the definition of "human"? What does that really mean? And could you give me verified sources that 45 actually engages in common human rituals like bathing, brushing teeth, sleeping, etc.? After all we can't just take the situation in context and assume things based on rational logic. I need receipts!!! Actual facts!!!



 

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sundin13 on 08 September 2019

KLAMarine said:

"In addition to Florida - South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama, will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated. Looking like one of the largest hurricanes ever. Already category 5. BE CAREFUL! GOD BLESS EVERYONE!"

It's very true that Alabama is mentioned here, no question about that, but recall NOAA's statement https://www.noaa.gov/news/statement-from-noaa : "From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama" so Trump was not wrong to include Alabama in his list.

And to Trump's credit, he was never clear on how exactly Alabama, or any other state for that matter, would be impacted.

I'm not seeing anything particularly objectionable in this tweet.

You don't think there is anything wrong with saying that Alabama will most likely be hit much harder than anticipated by one of the largest hurricanes ever, when only a corner of Alabama had a ~10% chance of seeing only Tropical storm level winds?

Theres nothing about that which you consider misleading at all?

Also, it isn't "heresay" when it is public information that was posted on the President's twitter. That is called common knowledge and generally, we expect human beings in this day and age to be able to perform at least basic google searches when having conversations...



EricHiggin on 08 September 2019
tsogud said:
KLAMarine said:

I posted footage of the man earlier in this thread. He certainly looks and sounds human.

Being a skeptic I don't take hearsay. Could you provide me with the definition of "human"? What does that really mean? And could you give me verified sources that 45 actually engages in common human rituals like bathing, brushing teeth, sleeping, etc.? After all we can't just take the situation in context and assume things based on rational logic. I need receipts!!! Actual facts!!!

Was KLA the first to mention how Trump made the Alabama claim, plus how and why that was a major problem? Did they ever claim or agree that it was a major problem?

If Trump does happen to be a new type of being on this planet, is that a problem? Are you humanist or racist?



KLAMarine on 08 September 2019

tsogud said:
KLAMarine said:

I posted footage of the man earlier in this thread. He certainly looks and sounds human.

Being a skeptic I don't take hearsay. Could you provide me with the definition of "human"? What does that really mean? And could you give me verified sources that 45 actually engages in common human rituals like bathing, brushing teeth, sleeping, etc.? After all we can't just take the situation in context and assume things based on rational logic. I need receipts!!! Actual facts!!!

Being a skeptic I don't take hearsay.

>Good, you shouldn't. Specifically when the hearsay is serious. If someone tells you they have a pet dog, there's no harm in believing such a claim.

Could you provide me with the definition of "human"? What does that really mean?

>Goodness, where to start?.. Well a human is able to speak a human language and Trump is certainly able to speak English. If you don't want me to call him human, would you prefer I call him 'the entity known as Trump'?

And could you give me verified sources that 45 actually engages in common human rituals like bathing, brushing teeth, sleeping, etc.?

>I'm afraid I can't... Not sure I ever claimed he did engage in those rituals. I'd like to think he does but I don't follow the entity known as Trump's every move.

sundin13 said:

KLAMarine said:

"In addition to Florida - South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama, will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated. Looking like one of the largest hurricanes ever. Already category 5. BE CAREFUL! GOD BLESS EVERYONE!"

It's very true that Alabama is mentioned here, no question about that, but recall NOAA's statement https://www.noaa.gov/news/statement-from-noaa : "From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama" so Trump was not wrong to include Alabama in his list.

And to Trump's credit, he was never clear on how exactly Alabama, or any other state for that matter, would be impacted.

I'm not seeing anything particularly objectionable in this tweet.

You don't think there is anything wrong with saying that Alabama will most likely be hit much harder than anticipated by one of the largest hurricanes ever, when only a corner of Alabama had a ~10% chance of seeing only Tropical storm level winds?

Theres nothing about that which you consider misleading at all?

Also, it isn't "heresay" when it is public information that was posted on the President's twitter. That is called common knowledge and generally, we expect human beings in this day and age to be able to perform at least basic google searches when having conversations...

You don't think there is anything wrong with saying that Alabama will most likely be hit much harder than anticipated by one of the largest hurricanes ever, when only a corner of Alabama had a ~10% chance of seeing only Tropical storm level winds?

>Sure, Trump was wrong but you can't expect to always be right when it comes to weather forecasts. Potential to be wrong about where a hurricane is heading or hitting is very much a possibility.

Theres nothing about that which you consider misleading at all?

>Sure I consider it misleading but we have the benefit of hindsight. Trump didn't have that luxury at the time.

the-pi-guy said:
KLAMarine said:

"But you don't have any thoughts about whether these statements could be politically motivated statements to placate and in some ways, validate Trump?"

>That's not impossible but statements going against Trump could be politically motivated as well.

"Like, it is very worth noting that Trump's statements did not simply state that there is a very low probability of some wind hitting Alabama. He stated that Alabama (along with several other states) "will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated". Birmingham's statement was a response to this. That context is very much important in the overall discussion.

Since you don't seem to be able to google, I've included a link to Trump's tweet below:

"

>Allow me to copy-paste EXACTLY what it looks like:

"In addition to Florida - South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama, will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated. Looking like one of the largest hurricanes ever. Already category 5. BE CAREFUL! GOD BLESS EVERYONE!"

It's very true that Alabama is mentioned here, no question about that, but recall NOAA's statement https://www.noaa.gov/news/statement-from-noaa : "From Wednesday, August 28, through Monday, September 2, the information provided by NOAA and the National Hurricane Center to President Trump and the wider public demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama" so Trump was not wrong to include Alabama in his list.

And to Trump's credit, he was never clear on how exactly Alabama, or any other state for that matter, would be impacted.

I'm not seeing anything particularly objectionable in this tweet.

By the way, thank you. You actually provided a tweet from the president's actual twitter account. You gave me more than just hearsay.

>That's not impossible but statements going against Trump could be politically motivated as well.

Tricky liberals.  Making comments to suggest Trump is incompetent about the weather.  Every true American knows he's a master weather man, and he's never lied!  

>By the way, thank you. You actually provided a tweet from the president's actual twitter account. You gave me more than just hearsay.

Because nothing happens unless it's on video tape.  

Tricky liberals.  Making comments to suggest Trump is incompetent about the weather.  Every true American knows he's a master weather man, and he's never lied!

>You typed this, not me. Doesn't even come close to representing my views/opinions.

Because nothing happens unless it's on video tape.

>Again, you typed this. Not me. Again, doesn't even come close to representing my views/opinions.



Paperboy_J on 08 September 2019
KLAMarine said:
tsogud said:
I'm a skeptic. I need video footage and pics with timestamps and birth certificates etc. to prove 45 is a real human and not a dumb lizard in a human suit. The burden of proof lies on everybody else, sorry.

I posted footage of the man earlier in this thread. He certainly looks and sounds human.

He most certainly does not.



tsogud on 08 September 2019
EricHiggin said:
tsogud said:

Being a skeptic I don't take hearsay. Could you provide me with the definition of "human"? What does that really mean? And could you give me verified sources that 45 actually engages in common human rituals like bathing, brushing teeth, sleeping, etc.? After all we can't just take the situation in context and assume things based on rational logic. I need receipts!!! Actual facts!!!

Was KLA the first to mention how Trump made the Alabama claim, plus how and why that was a major problem? Did they ever claim or agree that it was a major problem?

If Trump does happen to be a new type of being on this planet, is that a problem? Are you humanist or racist?

I just want proof if he is human or not? Could you provide me with evidence, video footage, anything? After all, we have to be consistent with our skepticism and never presume anything and be spoon-fed things that should be blatantly obvious based on rational logic. So please evidence? Or do you admit you can't really prove anyone's a human? Would you say we'll need a healthy dose of speculation here?

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