It seems like you have with your latter sentence.

Quality is subjective itself. What you think is good, is likely trash to someone else.

I guess I could play it on my gf's Switch. But I don't have my own console and I only run Fedora on my computers.

Again, it would be like saying "the Mona Lisa>everything else", and it would be in your own opinion, not "the Mona Lisa is factually better than all other art out there by definition of fact", because Art like it or not is subjective. Why do you think art tastes vary massively compared to all the millions of styles out there in the first place?. Why do you think other people, other groups value different pieces of artwork over others and vice versa?. 

Studying/practicing is entirely different to the end result of showing your piece of artwork, especially for those that aren't living on this earth anymore. Getting better at it is in the eye of themselves and the beholder, but of course to someone else, they could look like they got "better", to others not so much and at times, yes, not even to themselves (I know this because I frequently chat with multiple art friends weekly, with a few of them sensing and voicing a lack if improvement to their art styles).

There is value in practicing, just like it is for everything, but that value is up to you, that value is placed into what you want to do with subjectively. Going with "I think I should improve myself" being the subjective part to "I have studied at Art school for 4 years" being the objective example. The part where you actually show off your style?, that's up to the user and the crowds judging it, which lends heavily yo, you guessed it, subjectivity.

You know, it's interesting that you say that practicing always makes you perfect, but I've seen a prime example within the art world, where one guy I've watched for around 10+ years has gone from a nice hand drawn to digital precise/finely drawn style, to a digital style where everything looks the same, horribly plastic looking and lifeless. I'm not the only one who shares that same sentiment about the artist dramatically changing their style from one place to another. You can make regressive steps in your area of work. Are you also aware that there are some people out there (yes, because I am one of them) who practice and practice, and yet they never get far or complete what was set out to be achieved?. 

"I think other artists would agree with me here", see, that's picking and naming a side. Please, at least be honest with your prior wording next time, because I do dislike "I'm being honest" when it becomes dishonest. Saying "regardless of my view", you're still placing all of this under "It doesn't matter, the enw version is objectively better", hence you using an argument on objectivity. Again, please, leave the dishonesty outside the door and just flat out tell me what you're thinking, rather than dancing around the point you're trying to make. 

Game looks great I am looking forward to it. I just got the other bloodstain game on xbox live gold

As long as they add some variation to the attack sounds, I'm good.  It was one of the items they said they received a lot of feedback about, so I'm pretty confident they'll be addressing it.

Not really, I just dislike dishonesty, you can point and voice that out without "taking it personally". It also makes for a bad opening argument point when you put it like that as well.

Mmn, being more honest than me, and I'm the one taking it personally?. 

No, but people who always mutter "practice makes perfect" will continue uttering it until they get the results they want, ergo it's implied that said person will always reach perfection via practicing at any time, because "keep on practicing, just keep at it for all of eternity". 

Going from a fully fledged art to stick figurines, yes, that would be an objective drop in quality, without a doubt, but that becomes an example, not the rule.

Those reasons listed are exactly why some artists seek a more simpler style, or one that simply cuts down on the time required to craft, yet also charging that bit more (I know this because I've been watching one of them for years now, with him charging for a single YCH for a whopping 5k alone, no edits, no input, just your character).

Of course we can't, because as humans we are biased to the core. We try to claim that justice is objective, when inr eality, someone who does weed goes away for longer than someone who's murdered 1-3 people, how can that ever be considered objective justice?. Justice, like many things in life are entirely subjective, depending on how you look at judging things/people. 

See, when you're willing to overlook issues for your own tastes, that's when things start to cloud your general judgement. I see this with the Crackdown thread, all over the net and twitter, "it's fine to spend 5 years to release a game as half arsed as that, keep on doing it etc". When you do not tell an artists what they are doing can be improved, or simply offering your own critique, they will never strive to improve themselves and remain complacent. This also goes for companies like MS.

As for that last part, no I'll have to disagree there, because one was a piece from centuries ago, vs a cleaning lady who ruined the piece with a chemical spray, which ended up smudging the entire painting as a result. She wasn't an artist, nor classed as one and certainly not being the sole creator of that piece. There is a big difference right there between that lady ruining a dead artists piece, and as veteran dev working on the same game, that no other person is going to intervene with and "smudge" by accident. 

Again, saying it's not entirely subjective means Mona Lisa>everything else, and that simply isn't the case, it will never be the case because we've seen this occurring for centuries now. Different people love, like and value/rate objects and people at different levels. We do not all value the same objects/people under a single, objective standard, where absolutely everyone agrees and no bias is injected (because that would be an impossibility as we're all biased by nature anyway). 

I did re-read it again, and it still came off as being more honest than me. I'm sorry you worded it differently than what it would have originally come off as.

You also didn't address the final point I made about the image you linked. I'll assume you now know the difference between a cleaner and an artist with their original work compared to a video game designer and their original work, minus the clumsy cleaner. 

But in saying that, you can't claim dishonesty from the other person on the claims that they should know themselves to being more honest to themselves and others. That really doesn't make much sense, especially when people can prove themselves to being dishonest at times. 

I wasn't aware that you didn't look up the original reason behind the meme/photo in general. There can be other examples out there, but they have to be from the same artist and be on point, rather than what you had originally used, as well as being entirely objective, without any subjectivity being lent. 

Agreed. Games like this and Mighty No. 9 could have been a lot better right out of the gate, had they not insisted on making them ugly/bland "2.5D", let alone using the damn Unreal Engine.  They both should have been sprites.

I originally backed the KS fund, at $60 for the Wii U physical edition. Then I saw more of their work and was turned off, and then played the demo on Steam and was even more disappointing. Luckily, they cancelled the Wii U version, so I was able to get my $$$ back. I have zero interest in this game now, sadly.

I am still curious to play the Curse of the Moon though, as I hear good things, and it actually LOOKS good.

I think you'll find it does

I thought you were dropping the convo in favor of the thread itself anyway.