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Zombie9ers said:
I think people are seriously underestimating a permanent price drop for the PS4. Look at all of the people lining up out the door in South Korea with their recent price drops. If you look at the last two Black Friday weeks in the U.S.- PS4 easily beat the competition and sold out everywhere. If Sony had provided more stock an extended the $199 promotion through December- it would have been an absolute bloodbath.

The problem is it's not guaranteed sony will make a permanent price drop of that size. Maybe €250 price this year then €200 for the holidays. Then next year €200 permanently. I hope they are more aggressive but they are clearly going for profits. 



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colafitte said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

As I said, this reminds me very much of talk about the PS3 before it launched.  At least at that point that Sony had a basically flawless track record.  Now they have the PS3 and Vita on their record.  They are definitely not flawless anymore.  Yet people still act like they are.

It really is nonsense to declare PS5 success, when they haven't even announced it yet.  Especially when you take into account that there is a new console on the market that is already very successful.

In the end, it's a matter of expectations. Would you bet money that PS5 is going to be a failure like no PS home console has been (PS3 was costly to Sony but it sold very well, similar to PS1 pace) or would you bet that PS4 is going to be at least as good as PS3?

By the time PS5 launch, Switch will be already almost 4 years old. PS5 won't compete against Switch at all...

I would bet money based on what I know.  About PS5 itself, I know nothing.  About it's competitor, the Switch, I know that it is already successful.  Therefore the safe money is on the Switch.

Hiku said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:
People are already predicting success for the PS5 without knowing a damn thing about it. Reminds me of the talk just before the PS3 launch.

On the other hand we already know that the Switch is a successful console that is selling comparably to the PS4. Isn't it more logical prediction that the Switch will have the top spot for the next 4+ years?

And about PS3, it's worth noting that it was their biggest screw up, and it was still the top selling console in the world for several years.
Most people presume that Sony learned from the PS3 launch the hard way not to repeat that mistake again.
And presuming they don't, it's a fairly safe bet to expect that PS5 will do fairly well. Hell, even if they repeat that mistake, it may still do well since their worst selling console sold 87m.

The reason for that is consistency. Even down to the name of the console, it's very consistent in that we know what to expect. A standard home console, the same controller with some minor additions (only the PS3, again, tried something different initially with the boomerang), and all third parties on board since day -1.
It's a formula that has worked very well for them so far, and at this time there's no indication of it being a bad approach.

With Nintendo it's very hit or miss, because they often go a different route than the norm, whether its the controller/the way you play games, the storage media, or the console itself. And third parties on their home console is always a questionmark after SNES.

Will the newest Nintendo home console get the latest Final Fantasy or Resident Evil, etc? That's never been a question for the newest Playstation, but something everyone expects since before it even launches. And for good reason.

Now when it comes to Switch, there's still a lot of question marks about which games it will get or not.
This week for example has two huge releases for 'every other system' in Resident Evil 2 and Kingdom Hearts 3, both sitting high on Metacritic right now.
When PS5 and XB2 are around the corner, that means developers are already working on, or planning, new games that are even more demanding than the ones that are not on Switch today. So all things considered I don't think it's a clearcut safer bet to assume that Switch will handle the next 4+ years better than PS5.
3DS's two best years in the US were it's first two, so you never know how a system will sell. Especially one with many uncertainties. Though personally I think that in 2019 Switch will sell at least around the same as this year.

I don't know how Switch will do compared to PS5 though, but I feel it's safe to assume PS5 will do just fine, based on history, because it follows the same blueprint.

I have a very different view of the PS3.  I see it as a total failure.  Although, I am from the US and it was a total failure in the US, shut out by both the Wii and XBox360.  Perhaps a person would see it differently in a country where the XBox360 never took off.  Also, from Sony's perspective it was a total failure because it lost them a ton of money.  But some gamers might see it differently because it had decent marketshare for a few years.

We also have a different perspective on console brands, because you seem to think that console brands matter a great deal.  I do not think console brands matter at all.  How much did the Wii brand help the Wii U?  Not at all.  The PS2 brand didn't help the PS3 either.  The Playstation brand doesn't mean anything, because none of the console brands mean anything.  The Playstation brand will not help the PS5 sell at all.



great to hear, and will not be different this year, just thinking of the amazing games that are still coming



zorg1000 said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:
People are already predicting success for the PS5 without knowing a damn thing about it. Reminds me of the talk just before the PS3 launch.

On the other hand we already know that the Switch is a successful console that is selling comparably to the PS4. Isn't it more logical prediction that the Switch will have the top spot for the next 4+ years?

Because of their track record. 3/4 of their consoles have been dominant and did over 100 million so unless they make another huge mistake like pricing PS5 $200-300 more than the competition than they should have another huge hit on their hands.

No, 2019 & 2020 are very safe bets for Switch to win as PS4 will see steady decline while Switch should be at its peak in those years. 2021 is also possible, it depends on how strong PS5 starts out and how much Switch declines that year so I'll say 50/50. 2022 will almost definitely be PS5 win, it will start to hit its stride while Switch will really be showing its age.

False.  You forgot to include the PSP and Vita.  Sony loses to Nintendo 50% of the time.  Their track record is the same as a coin flip.

Also, you are already declaring 2022 victory for PS5 and you don't know anything about it.  Everything we know about the PS5 comes from our own imagination.  Or do you have an insider source that the rest of us don't have?  All of these declarations about the PS5 are based on make believe and also on a track record that Sony doesn't actually have.



Pyro as Bill said:
PS will continue to be the dominant console until something challenges it.

What's so great about Switch is that Sony doesn't see it coming.

Nintendo's strategy is so 'out there' that by the time Sony responds it will be too late.

Sony have not responded to nintendo all gen, and they aint about to start. I really want to know what software do folks plan on buying on the NS in 2019 that will push units ahead of PS4. 

The way i see it, Sony took 2018 off and still sold 18 million......



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It was a good run for ps4. Another 100m+ guaranteed.



Zombie9ers said:
I think people are seriously underestimating a permanent price drop for the PS4. Look at all of the people lining up out the door in South Korea with their recent price drops. If you look at the last two Black Friday weeks in the U.S.- PS4 easily beat the competition and sold out everywhere. If Sony had provided more stock an extended the $199 promotion through December- it would have been an absolute bloodbath.

But didn't you see the one post? Apparently, Sony has been giving PS4s away at $199 for weeks, now, in the US. Of course, that is complete FUD as it has been $299 all year and only dropped to $199 for the BF weekend.  

So, yea, I could see PS4 being on top, again, if they cut to $199. I only see this happening if they do get the PS5 out this year, though. If it's delayed to 2020, then I expect only a cut to $249.  That'll still help slow the decline.  Of course, Nintendo doesn't seem to have much going on for the beginning of the year, so it may allow PS4 to build a healthy lead.



The_Liquid_Laser said:
People are already predicting success for the PS5 without knowing a damn thing about it. Reminds me of the talk just before the PS3 launch.

On the other hand we already know that the Switch is a successful console that is selling comparably to the PS4. Isn't it more logical prediction that the Switch will have the top spot for the next 4+ years?

Not really. Year 3 is where Nintendo consoles usually see their peak, and then see a steady decline. I think this will be the year that Switch peaks. Probably a $249 price tag and/or revision and Pokemon. Nothing Nintendo has is going to match that going forward.

So, at most, Switch will have 2019 and 2020. In 2021, the PS5 will be hitting it's stride, while Switch will be on the way out.

As for PS5, we already know plenty about it. It'll be using a Ryzen CPU (seemingly to be 8 cores, given the recent CPU leak) and a Navi GPU (rumored to at least match a 1080 TI), both providing a nice leap in power. At least 16 GB of RAM (the obvious type being GDDR6.) And while we don't know the price, given that Sony has been releasing consoles for $399 this gen, I'd assume we'll see that same price tag next gen, as well, while MS pushes their most powerful iteration for $499.

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The_Liquid_Laser said:
People are already predicting success for the PS5 without knowing a damn thing about it. Reminds me of the talk just before the PS3 launch.

On the other hand we already know that the Switch is a successful console that is selling comparably to the PS4. Isn't it more logical prediction that the Switch will have the top spot for the next 4+ years?

Was the PS3 not successful?



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The_Liquid_Laser said:
People are already predicting success for the PS5 without knowing a damn thing about it. Reminds me of the talk just before the PS3 launch.

On the other hand we already know that the Switch is a successful console that is selling comparably to the PS4. Isn't it more logical prediction that the Switch will have the top spot for the next 4+ years?

No, Switch will not have console sellers releasing that late, as Nintendo has already released most of their big series on it. Nintendo hardware also doesn't have the brand recognition of PlayStation through the world.