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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware 15 December 2018

Flilix on 08 January 2019
CrazyGPU said:

Edit: I forgot. for those that say that the switch is everything because you have a home and mobile device,

The Switch is like a duck, it can run, fly and swim. But it flies like a duck. And PS4 and XBOX are eagles. Don´t compare ducs and eagles ,the flying experience is different ;)

that doesn´t make the ps4 swim..... choises.

I don't get why you're downplaying ducks so much, you're seriously underestimating their flying abilities.

Ducks fly pretty fast, at about 80 km/h. They also have great stamina, and take way longer flights (thousands of kilometers, in only a few days time) than birds like the eagle.

And eagles don't actually fly particullarly fast, they average around 50 km/h - which is a fair bit slower than ducks. They only reach top speeds of 250 km/h when taking a nosedive.



So I think it's quite clear that the Switch is the better console.



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GoOnKid on 08 January 2019
Intrinsic said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

Right. Nintendo isn't dead in the handheld nor console department. That much is a fact ,as you know we have the Switch. So that argument really doesnt make any sense.  Nintendo has done well to come back after what we got with the Wii U and after the sluggish start with the 3DS, so they were correct.  Person that said it was dead as far as home consoles go is just completely wrong as Nintendo has Switch. Switch is a hybrid, the best of what both a home console and handheld can provide a user. It is both a home console and it is also a handheld, that's factual. People tend to pick one or the other to steer an argument in their specific direction for the sake of trying to be right. When the answer is straight forward. There's no hidden mystery.

Honestly I feel the hatred for the Hybrid idea stems from people actually being mad that Nintendo was the one to perfect it first,as far as the big 3 go, and not Microsoft/Sony. That's the vibe I get.  Am I wrong about that? maybe, but it's the opinion i gotta stick with for the time being after seeing responses lately. 

Ok. I agree its a hybrid. I have always agreed with this fact.

But that also means we CANNOT call it a home console or a handheld. Its a hybrid.

Now everyones description of how it is a hybrid can be different, we have those that feel its a home console that that can be taken on the go, those that feel its a handheld that can plug to a TV (both cases still makes it a hybrid) and those that feel it being a hybrid is it simply taking a little of both form factors and combining them. Like reading your post you fall into the third category. 

But the truth is that because its a hybrid everyone is kinda right by how they describe it and everyone is kinda wrong too. 

Now having said that, the NS is NOT a home console. Its a hybrid. So if someone says nintendo is dead as far as home consoles go, that person won't be wrong. That would be true because nintendo is not making a home console. They are making a hybrid. This needs to be sorted out..... because as it stands, when its convenient they will call it a home console, then a handheld.. and when either gets challenged it will be called a hybrid.

I also don't know about anyone being butthurt about Nintendo getting "it right" because I dont really think the people in a sony or xbox camp cares for a handheld (which is mostly how we see the NS) to the point where we would want or wish that sony or MS adopts a similar business model.

I have pointed out earlier..... if they say nintendo did great by making a new type of device I will be right there with them singing their praises. And I personally was among those that felt this is the direction nintendo should have taken long before they even did it. But to say its a home console means we are comparing it with traditional home consoles, and if that was what it was.. and it didn't have the portable aspect of it... then how is it any different from the WiiU? It would have been DOA or not have been made at all.   And this is just simply because it lacks the tools (hardware) to compete in the same market as the PS4/XB1/PC. The tools it has (again the hardware) makes it what a handheld made in 2017 would have been. The unique (or innovation if you choose) is allowing that handheld plug into a Tv while its being charged. They basically took what they already did with the WiiU and reversed it.

There is nothing wrong with that, it doesn't have to be a PS4/XB1/PC to be successful as it has shown. Now why this observation seems to cause issues or arouse suspicions of trolling I will never understand.

It being a hybrid means it's BOTH a handheld and a home console. Just like the duck that's also an eagle a rabbit.



TheBlackNaruto on 08 January 2019
zorg1000 said:
drinkandswim said:

Price cuts aren't necessary if you have a Monopoly.

Cool.......I wish that was relevant to anything being discussed.

Well freaking played lol.



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drinkandswim on 08 January 2019

The #2 Best Console (PS4) won't see as much of a hit as the #3 (Xbox). But of course Nintendo will be ruling the Video Game Market at least until 2022.



Intrinsic on 08 January 2019
drinkandswim said:
The #2 Best Console (PS4) won't see as much of a hit as the #3 (Xbox). But of course Nintendo will be ruling the Video Game Market at least until 2022.

Look its january 2018 all over again.

That didn't take long.



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drinkandswim on 08 January 2019
Intrinsic said:
drinkandswim said:
The #2 Best Console (PS4) won't see as much of a hit as the #3 (Xbox). But of course Nintendo will be ruling the Video Game Market at least until 2022.

Look its january 2018 all over again.

That didn't take long.

Just be happy competition is great for Gamers. It will be alright PS5 coming in 2020.



Ganoncrotch on 08 January 2019
Ashadelo said:
CrazyGPU said:

its good as a present for kids in USA.  

 

The adult has entered the forum!

Aye well we all know that no x1 or PS4 were purchased as presents for children in the last week.

 

Gotta say though, we're looking for new ways of getting traffic into vgchartz , could try adding this thread into dictionary.com for "downplaying" it's pretty much as close to the perfect description of the word. Many ruffled feathers of ducks, eagles and various dead parrots.



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Intrinsic on 08 January 2019
Ganoncrotch said:
Ashadelo said:

 

The adult has entered the forum!

Aye well we all know that no x1 or PS4 were purchased as presents for children in the last week.

 

Gotta say though, we're looking for new ways of getting traffic into vgchartz , could try adding this thread into dictionary.com for "downplaying" it's pretty much as close to the perfect description of the word. Many ruffled feathers of ducks, eagles and various dead parrots.

First it was hate..... now its downplaying.

All because we are talking about the NS not being a home console lol...

And yet not a single person has said anything bad about its sales performance being poor.



zorg1000 on 08 January 2019
Intrinsic said:
zorg1000 said:

Who cares about the others, we are talking about Nintendo. Microsoft never had and never will have a presence in Japan and if it was as cut and dry as handheld vs console than PS4 wouldnt be matching PS3 while Vita is only 1/3 of PSP.

In the first two years Japan made up ~36% of 3DS sales.

In the first two years Japan made up ~23% of Switch sales.

Well if you wat to be fair.....

look at handheld sales of the last nintendo platform in japan. And the Home console sales of the last nintendo platform in japan. I won be suprised if switch sales in japan is somewhere in the middle.

Then compare that to sales of the PS4 in japan (traditional home console) and you will probably find that the NS is not selling like a traditional home console in japan. Its selling better. 

I am being fair, I find it concerning that you find issues in my argument using actual data but not his which is nothing more than a rant.

You are correct, Switch is significantly ahead of Wii U and significantly behind 3DS. How in any way does that support a handheld or console argument?

If you want to bring up PS4, how about we also being up Vita? It's the worst selling Playstation system in Japan ever, had a ~70% drop from PSP and sold just over half of what PS3/PS4 have/will sell.

By the logic you and CrazyGPU are using, Vita should have sold much more than PS3/PS4 because handhelds are more popular than traditional consoles.



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TheBlackNaruto on 08 January 2019
Mar1217 said:
Hey, another thread to try and downplay switch's sucess by labelling it a simple handheld system with TV connection capabilities to try to diminish it's impact on the home console market and it's direct competition, Xbone and PS4.

Debating between direct and indirect comp and debating on Home vs Handheld is not downplaying....why are so many people reaching? heck I wasn't even in the debate and I saw no hate. I even saw those same people saying it was a smart move and a hit for Nintendo with the hybrid but yet that is downplaying? Like come on people. 



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