Damn.. That Smash Bros. effect though..

With regards to a couple of the ongoing squabbles - can I play the Switch as a home console? Then it's a home console. It's also a handheld console. It's literally as simple as this folks. There's such a thing as grey area, it doesn't have to be black and white.

Additionally, yes the Switch is a competitor to the PS4. The Switch is a video game console. The PS4/Xbox One are also video game consoles. Again, simple stuff, people. They even have many of the exact same games.

Sure you could say they are vastly different in certain areas, and that there are segments of the market that Nintendo will reach that Sony simply will not, and vice versa, but I don't know how you can do these mental gymnastics trying to justify how two video game consoles (no matter how different), aren't inevitably going to have at least some overlap in terms of competing for the same market. They compete for the same dollars of largely the same market of people who play video games.

Put it this way - When I decide to invest in Smash Bros Ultimate, that's money out of my pocket that I likely would have been more inclined to spend on, say Assassin's Creed Odyssey for my Xbox One, which I otherwise am going to be waiting a bit for a price drop on that one. When I decide to pick up another Xbox One controller, that causes me to hold off on snagging that extra pair of expensive joycons. And so on.. It also is a competition for my gaming time, as I can only play one console at a time.

I do find it interesting that you only tend to hear these justifications as to how Nintendo is doing a "different thing" when they are outselling the competition. When they are not though, people sure are quick to harp on the fact the non-competing PS4 is outperforming the Switch..

wow!!!! Great things happen with switch!

Just to be clear..... my only stake in this debate was saying that nintendo is not in the "home console" business and how the NS is not a "Home console".

I didnt say its only selling or selling well because its a handheld or that its not performing well.

I also did say that its an indirect competitor with the PS4/XB1 not t downplay its sales but to point out that it can coexist with either platform and it doing well will not affect the others adversely and vice versa because it offers something totally different from what the others offer.

Felt I needed to say this because all of a sudden the debate I was in is being called all manner of strange things.

So let me ask again, why was it brought up for any reason other to downplay?

But guys it doesnt matter anyway since the switch isnt even the same generation

I dont think anybody was talking about you specifically, more like the person who brought it up to begin with.

You could very well be right. I just don't get what's on stake.

Whether we define Switch as hybrid/handheld/home console won't change its huge sales.

This as well. I don't get what either side has to gain by Switch being 8th or 9th gen.

Why does it matter if it wins over/loses to PS4+XB1 or PS5+XB Next?

That's right! Online alone is probably....I'd peg it at around......gen 5.5. Not quite at the level of the XBL rollout in 2002, but comfortably ahead of the Sega Saturn.

I think Global will be close but i expect Sony to win 2018 about 18M to 17M. But I do think they will win US.

2019 22 million

2020 24 million

2021 22 million

2022 20 million