Benji already said in era thread, a price drop isn't going to stop imminent YOY decrease for both consoles for the next year and Matt(npd) already said the thing about doom and gloom for hardware with an exception to Nintendo Switch. 

I am not expecting the Switch to keep up with the DS/Wii in sales, that's just unrealistic. But expecting 20 million or even 18/19 for what is looking like an amazing software/hardware year isn't out of the realm of possibilities. Pokemon honestly didn't have that much more of a bigger impact on the 3ds then it did on the ds. DS had more reasons for it to reach 150 million. Not to mention that all Nintendo successors has had lower sales than the original. Animal crossing brings in a new demographic of gamers as well. PS, there is no way the Switch is selling less than the 3ds, so that 75M max definitely needs to be upped 

You have some problem with reading or understanding point that someone is trying to make, you keep replying to people things they didnt wrote.

I am right, I never said that Nintendo is wining US markets, I said that for Nintendo US market is strongest market while Europe is strongest market for Sony, and thats a fact. Nintendo is selling most if its consoles on US market while Sony selling most of its console on Europe market simple as that, MS also selling also most of consoles to US (but Xbox brand is generally much weaker on any other market).

For your information, despite Japan prefers handheld mostly, Nintendo handhelds also sold most in US not in Japan.

When people talking about hole year they talking about shipped numbers because those are only official numbers we getting from Nintendo, this year Switch will maybe even hit their target of 20m shipped units, 18-19m is like minimum they will ship. Next year more than 20m is very likely. Even Wii had only year with 26m shipped units, not sold units, no one said that Switch can sell 25m in 2019.

From those games only Days Gone is currently confirmed for 2019. release, games like The Last of Us Part II,  Death Stranding, Ghost of Tsushima could easily have cross gen launch in same time on PS4 and PS5, and that would have effect on PS4 sales in any case.

3rd party will strong for PS4 like always.

Yes we know, this second time Sony was selling PS4 at price point of $200, so people already have plenty occasions buying PS4 for less than $300.

2019. will be good year for PS4, but most likely will be YOY down in any case compared to this year.

He is right thought, US was always strongest market for Nintendo same like Europe was for Sony, Switch has good chances beating PS4 in US at end, for now they are selling very similar in US for same time period.

As I have said I don't see 18M to 19M as unattainable. I even expect it to d around that next year. But some are saying 20M to 25M. Thats wii or DS level numbers and I just don't think its gonna happen. Especially not for the reasons being given.

I see what the issue is here. When you say strongest market you mean where it sells the most not where it dominates and wins. 

I read what you said in response to what was being said as talking about "strongest markets"h with regards to winning those markets not just selling very well in those markets compared to other markets. 

As for your shipped number thing... if thats really what yu guys are ding then you all are messing it all up. That 20M nintendo gave isnt for this whole year  (jan - dec) of 2018. Its for the 2018-2019 Fiscal year (Apr 2018 - Mar 2019).

Having said that..... I dont believe you on this notion that when people have been talking about switch selling 20M or 25M next year they were referring to shipped numbers as opposed to sales. I think its usally pretty clear when people are talking abut shipped numbers and sales. You cant be talking about shipped numbers and saying 2018 or 2019 If thats what you are doing then be sure to add (FY). So if yu say 2018 FY we all will know what you mean is shipments and covering a period of apr 2018 to mar 2019.

It depends from Nintendo. If they will keep releasing upgraded version of Switch for the next 6 years, it might happen; but you know it would means nothing as PS5 will be out from Nov 2020 most probably, it will be the new workhorse of Sony and PS4 will start little by little fading.  A new gen is starting after the absolute dominion of ps4, so what will happen in NA in 2023-2025 on the clouded and forgotten stage PS4 vs Switch means absolutely nothing. PS5 will be probably ruling again, a new underpowered Nintendo console will be out, trying to compete with Sony and Microsoft which are in the market with their new consoles since 2-3 years alredy.

 This generation is over, PS4 has dominated; we will see with next gen what will happen.

And this is something I feel a lot aren't considering when it comes to the switch. 

Is the switch going to go to 80M lifetime sales on the back of Nintendo first party alone? Cause that is what it will need to do. Because once the PS5/XB2 comes along those ports that the NS are getting now won't be there anymore. The power divide will just be too much. 

 Do people really think the arrival of the PS5 and XB2 will not affect the switch in anyway? Do people really think that nintendo first party alone is enough to carry a platform to 80M+ sales? Outside the Wii when has nintendo ever managed that feat? The secnd we start talking abut sales and exclude the call od duties next fortnite next overwatchs` next doom' next fifa and next GTA then nintendo is left solely with its first party. In a world where it cant even sell as a handheld device alone.

And this is something I feel a lot aren't considering when it comes to the switch. 

Is the switch going to go to 80M lifetime sales on the back of Nintendo first party alone? Cause that is what it will need to do. Because once the PS5/XB2 comes along those ports that the NS are getting now won't be there anymore. The power divide will just be too much. 

 Do people really think the arrival of the PS5 and XB2 will not affect the switch in anyway? Do people really think that nintendo first party alone is enough to carry a platform to 80M+ sales? Outside the Wii when has nintendo ever managed that feat? The secnd we start talking abut sales and exclude the call od duties next fortnite next overwatchs` next doom' next fifa and next GTA then nintendo is left solely with its first party. In a world where it cant even sell as a handheld device alone.

And this is something I feel a lot aren't considering when it comes to the switch. 

Is the switch going to go to 80M lifetime sales on the back of Nintendo first party alone? Cause that is what it will need to do. Because once the PS5/XB2 comes along those ports that the NS are getting now won't be there anymore. The power divide will just be too much. 

 Do people really think the arrival of the PS5 and XB2 will not affect the switch in anyway? Do people really think that nintendo first party alone is enough to carry a platform to 80M+ sales? Outside the Wii when has nintendo ever managed that feat? The secnd we start talking abut sales and exclude the call od duties next fortnite next overwatchs` next doom' next fifa and next GTA then nintendo is left solely with its first party. In a world where it cant even sell as a handheld device alone.

And this is something I feel a lot aren't considering when it comes to the switch. 

Is the switch going to go to 80M lifetime sales on the back of Nintendo first party alone? Cause that is what it will need to do. Because once the PS5/XB2 comes along those ports that the NS are getting now won't be there anymore. The power divide will just be too much. 

 Do people really think the arrival of the PS5 and XB2 will not affect the switch in anyway? Do people really think that nintendo first party alone is enough to carry a platform to 80M+ sales? Outside the Wii when has nintendo ever managed that feat? The secnd we start talking abut sales and exclude the call od duties next fortnite next overwatchs` next doom' next fifa and next GTA then nintendo is left solely with its first party. In a world where it cant even sell as a handheld device alone.