It is ironic that "being aware of your surroundings" did not make you aware of your own nationalism ...
Eagle367 said:
I disagree. You probably don't know the relationship between Pakistan and US but I've lived it. The US used Pakistan like a tissue with it's war against the USSR and then threw Pakistan away. Again they needed Pakistan in the "war against terror" and again threw Pakistan away like a used tissue. The US never considered Pakistan as an allyaand only as a tool to be used. But Pakistan never learned it's lesson and kept trying to form a functioning relationship. Now Pakistan is tired. Because Pakistan has lost 1000s of times more than it's gained with trying to make a partnership with the US. We've lost in lives and in money. The measely aid given is easily lost considering how much money we've lost. And the US never wanted a resolution to the Afghanistan war because only the US military complex gained from it. Profit is all the motive for them. US was never "adult supervision" The US was a parasite and a leech to the middle East. And I agree Pakistan should only rely on itself and not other nations whether US or China.
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Just because you've "lived" in conflict does not make you an authority regarding the factual events and what exactly was documented. The US did not even participate in the Soviet-Afghan War so your statement that the "US used Pakistan" is patently false since they've NEVER entered into the conflict. The US has only asked to to cooperate with Pakistan ONCE and when they do it, Pakistan is the one who backstabs the US along with NATO allies since your nation was likely the one harbouring vile war criminals like Osama Bin Laden ...
Here's what representatives of the NATO allies had to say ...
Julia Gillard (former PM of Australia): "bin Laden "absolutely" had a support network in Pakistan" ...
Alan Juppe (former foreign minister of France): "I find it a little difficult to imagine that the presence of someone like bin Laden in a big compound in a relatively small town, even if located at 80 km from the center of Islamabad, could go completely unnoticed" ...
David Cameron (former PM of UK): "The fact that Bin Laden was living in a large house in a populated area suggests that he must have had a support network in Pakistan" ...
What do you have to say in defense of your nation for acting in bad faith while NATO allied forces were busting their asses in Afghanistan against terrorist groups who being sheltered in Pakistan ? It's not just the US who doubts Pakistan but the same applies to the other NATO allies ...
The US allied with Pakistan once and never again will they ever have to put up with the bullcrap they served to them since it was Pakistan who actively tried to jeopardize diplomatic ties but again keep up the propaganda about how the US somehow kept continuously being involved in your nation's armed disputes. As far as the US aid is concerned, Pakistan is directly reimbursed whereas the US has spent trillions which dwarfs whatever contributions Pakistan made to the cause all the while they are still paying them. You think Pakistan is the only one with severe losses ?
"only the US military complex gained from it. Profit is all the motive for them", the same could be said of any country especially in Pakistan's case of supporting terrorist groups in India and Afghanistan. Considering that the US didn't actively harbour terrorist groups behind their allies, I'd say they were definitely the ones with adult supervision when compared to Pakistan ...
Eagle367 said:
But the relationship between Pakistan and China is a unique one. You see Pakistan was doing really good in the 60s before the Afghanistan mess, and formation of Bangladesh and all that. While China was not doing so hot. Pakistan was the first one to help China and also one of thevery few who fought for China to be included in the UN. Now China is a huge beast and at least to Pakistan, wants to help the country that helped it in it's time of need. China might be using that relationship to it's advantage, I don't know since I am not Chinese leadership.
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The relationship between Pakistan and China is not at all special but were in fact mostly neutral. As far as I can see Pakistan was never "doing really good" ever since it first gained independence. If having no golden ages, no social progress, and tons of conflicts with India are classified as "doing really good" then your bar is set very low especially when leading up to Operation Searchlight ... (thank lord Bangladesh fought for it's own independence against the tyranny of Pakistan's military dictatorship)
I don't think you understand a whole lot about China in general. It was actually the US who was a staunch supporter of China being included as a permanent member of the UN security council just before the chinese civil war. However, after the civil war it was contested in which of China's governments would be recognized to be the one to represent the UN since the nation was politically divided. China doesn't have any friends judging by the past record with it's neighbors so don't expect them to be friends either with Pakistan ...
The vietnamese see them as an invader of their waters, russians faced a political break up with them, South Korea's pride of reunification was destroyed by them, North Korea is just plain annoying them, India has become wary of their occupation of Tibet, and they still have less than ideal relations with Japan ...
Eagle367 said:
The entire point though is that Pakistan cannot trust US because US will constantly betray us like they always have. Because the US does not respect smaller nations and their right to sovereignty and does not want partnerships but rather wants countries to bow down to them. China has a more nuance approach and our businessmen. The US I'm sure would've destroyed Pakistan like it did Iraq, Afghanistan and so many others if we didn't have nukes.
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Again, the US has only cooperated once with Pakistan ...
If you think that the US does not respect a smaller nation's sovereignty and that China is somehow better in this regard then you're highly misinformed, LOL. Considering Pakistan has taken loans from China that they themselves can not likely finance to build the trading routes, Pakistan will soon realize they fell into a debt trap as they helplessly watch chinese state owned enterprises seize Pakistan's trading routes as a collateral. China's violated the sovereignty of other nations for much less as we see in the waters of South East Asia ...
Had the UN not been created which originated in the US there would've been no political pressure to start a decolonization or independence movements. Would you have preferred the territory of Pakistan be under the rule of the British Raj instead ?
The US can still destroy Pakistan if it wanted to because it's potential nuclear arsenal still doesn't provide enough long range capabilities to reach any major western powers ...
Eagle367 said:
Pakistan is reaching a breaking point where the military is not as strong as it once was and is desperately trying to maintain it's power, Pakistan is realising it cannot trust western powers because they will betray us and Pakistan has to be smart about China and CPEC. If it somehow manages to survive it's military gone mad, China's sly business tactics and the pressure of the Americans on the international stage, we will come out stronger than ever. We can make Gwadar a really big thing and if we start ruling our military instead of the military ruling us, we can treat Balochistan and all other provinces with respect and may rise up to be what was envisioned by our founding father. But on the flip side we might crash and burn and have to wait decades for another opportunity to rise up. I don't tjint Pakistan as a nation will end anytime soon, but the time is approaching for Pakistan to make it or break it.
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Pakistan is indeed desperate since they feel the need to develop nuclear weapons but it didn't have much power to begin with ...
Without support of western powers, Pakistan is becoming more isolated than ever just like North Korea did in the past which means an easy target for China. It's other neighbors such as Afghanistan or India doesn't like them and nearly nobody likes trading with Pakistan. One has to seriously wonder if it was worth it for Pakistan to pillage the US and it's allies in exchange for being geopolitically isolated ...