| fatslob-:O said: It is ironic that "being aware of your surroundings" did not make you aware of your own nationalism ...
Just because you've "lived" in conflict does not make you an authority regarding the factual events and what exactly was documented. The US did not even participate in the Soviet-Afghan War so your statement that the "US used Pakistan" is patently false since they've NEVER entered into the conflict. The US has only asked to to cooperate with Pakistan ONCE and when they do it, Pakistan is the one who backstabs the US along with NATO allies since your nation was likely the one harbouring vile war criminals like Osama Bin Laden ... Here's what representatives of the NATO allies had to say ... Julia Gillard (former PM of Australia): "bin Laden "absolutely" had a support network in Pakistan" ... Alan Juppe (former foreign minister of France): "I find it a little difficult to imagine that the presence of someone like bin Laden in a big compound in a relatively small town, even if located at 80 km from the center of Islamabad, could go completely unnoticed" ... David Cameron (former PM of UK): "The fact that Bin Laden was living in a large house in a populated area suggests that he must have had a support network in Pakistan" ... What do you have to say in defense of your nation for acting in bad faith while NATO allied forces were busting their asses in Afghanistan against terrorist groups who being sheltered in Pakistan ? It's not just the US who doubts Pakistan but the same applies to the other NATO allies ... The US allied with Pakistan once and never again will they ever have to put up with the bullcrap they served to them since it was Pakistan who actively tried to jeopardize diplomatic ties but again keep up the propaganda about how the US somehow kept continuously being involved in your nation's armed disputes. As far as the US aid is concerned, Pakistan is directly reimbursed whereas the US has spent trillions which dwarfs whatever contributions Pakistan made to the cause all the while they are still paying them. You think Pakistan is the only one with severe losses ? "only the US military complex gained from it. Profit is all the motive for them", the same could be said of any country especially in Pakistan's case of supporting terrorist groups in India and Afghanistan. Considering that the US didn't actively harbour terrorist groups behind their allies, I'd say they were definitely the ones with adult supervision when compared to Pakistan ...
The relationship between Pakistan and China is not at all special but were in fact mostly neutral. As far as I can see Pakistan was never "doing really good" ever since it first gained independence. If having no golden ages, no social progress, and tons of conflicts with India are classified as "doing really good" then your bar is set very low especially when leading up to Operation Searchlight ... (thank lord Bangladesh fought for it's own independence against the tyranny of Pakistan's military dictatorship) I don't think you understand a whole lot about China in general. It was actually the US who was a staunch supporter of China being included as a permanent member of the UN security council just before the chinese civil war. However, after the civil war it was contested in which of China's governments would be recognized to be the one to represent the UN since the nation was politically divided. China doesn't have any friends judging by the past record with it's neighbors so don't expect them to be friends either with Pakistan ... The vietnamese see them as an invader of their waters, russians faced a political break up with them, South Korea's pride of reunification was destroyed by them, North Korea is just plain annoying them, India has become wary of their occupation of Tibet, and they still have less than ideal relations with Japan ...
Again, the US has only cooperated once with Pakistan ... If you think that the US does not respect a smaller nation's sovereignty and that China is somehow better in this regard then you're highly misinformed, LOL. Considering Pakistan has taken loans from China that they themselves can not likely finance to build the trading routes, Pakistan will soon realize they fell into a debt trap as they helplessly watch chinese state owned enterprises seize Pakistan's trading routes as a collateral. China's violated the sovereignty of other nations for much less as we see in the waters of South East Asia ... Had the UN not been created which originated in the US there would've been no political pressure to start a decolonization or independence movements. Would you have preferred the territory of Pakistan be under the rule of the British Raj instead ? The US can still destroy Pakistan if it wanted to because it's potential nuclear arsenal still doesn't provide enough long range capabilities to reach any major western powers ...
Pakistan is indeed desperate since they feel the need to develop nuclear weapons but it didn't have much power to begin with ... Without support of western powers, Pakistan is becoming more isolated than ever just like North Korea did in the past which means an easy target for China. It's other neighbors such as Afghanistan or India doesn't like them and nearly nobody likes trading with Pakistan. One has to seriously wonder if it was worth it for Pakistan to pillage the US and it's allies in exchange for being geopolitically isolated ... |
You clearly don't know anything about Pakistan's history. Nor do you seem to care to do your research. You can easily find online when Pakistan's growth in the 1969s was higher than all of it's neighbours and one of the highest in the region. Also how Pakistan helped China in the 1960s. And how Pakistan and US trained the mujahideen later becoming the Taliban to fight the Soviets. How US then stopped supporting Pakistan right after. How again US came to Pakistan after 9/11 and is now blaming Pakistan for it's own failures. Why would you even trust India or NATO in this. It's like asking the US about Russians. Indians hate Pakistan as a reality so of course they will be negative. And NATO was throughly embarrassed on Afghanistan and won't take the blame on themselves so they choose Pakistan, the easiest target. You have a problem with Usama bin Ladin in Pakistan near a complex? How the hell did some terrorists gain so much control as to attack the pentagon, world trade center and another flight all in one go. The US military, which is the best in the world, can show incompetence but pakistan can't? The very idea that LL your sources are western is what's wrong with your whole view point. Read what other nations who are not allowed with either the US or Pakistan in any meaningful way say about this. The west has a bias against Pakistan that much is obvious. Why shoul believe other narratives when I have my own experiences? Pakistan has suffered more than you can imagine from the tragedies and I, at least am not calling my government and army innocent in any capacity whatsoever. But I am not going to tolerate lies that portray that Pakistan is all evil and all the blame goes to Pakistan. The US has backstabbed Pakistan a couple of times and the very fact that you think Pakistan and the US only worked together once shows your ignorance. You have no idea and have done no research whatsoever. You only have a biased propaganda based view of the situation.
You need to check your bias. It's showing heavy. And you think the US has not harboured terrorists at all? That's a big fat lie. And the fact that you view one side as all good and the other side as all bad just shows that western propaganda is working on you. Just read books by Pakistani authors for once. Or even historians rather than politicians. Also it's no use talking to someone who sees you, your people and your country as an evil entity. That means they are in no way trying to learn things and have a constructibe debate but rather put down any viewpoints that the other side is presenting. Same with how your view of China is rotten. You can learn some pretty incredible things that Chinese and pakostanisare doing if you let go of this one dimensional view of the world.
Is Pakistan innocent? No. Is China innocent? No. Is the US or Afghanistan innocent? No. Is NATO innocent? No. Is India? No
Is the US pure intentioned? Hell No! Is Pakistan pure intentioned? Hell No! Is anyone pure intentioned in this? Don't know, maybe the people living there who only want peace.
Is Pakistan the most to blame? Not in my opinion.
Is the US the most to blame? In my informed opinion, yes. The US is the biggest player and the one who started it. They trianed Usama bin Ladin. They trained what became Taliban. They intentionally or unintentionally did things which resulted in the creation of daesh. They might've lost trillions, but their military complex made a lot of cash. No other country did. They've lost the least in terms of actual human life while have killed a lot of innocents. They breach borders and have killed innocent Pakistanis in drone strikes. They still have the least to lose other than their dignity and respect.
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