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Forums - Nintendo - PR: Nintendo Switch Best Selling week Ever (US) (8.2mil+Sold Switches LTD) [Update: 8.6mil+]

RolStoppable said:
quickrick said:

i'm not gonna compare official LTD numbers to attach ratio plus math to come up with hardware numbers. I would never argue that those numbers could easily be wrong.

What do you argue then? That Nintendo's PR is bad at math, but they should be blindly trusted anyway?

I just wanted to add nintendo data is not really reliable unless it's 100% clear, and in this rare scenario it is, as it was last year. 



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RolStoppable said:
Megiddo said:

Not that I have a time machine or anything, but isn't it pretty normal for there to be a big hefty restock for Nintendo consoles at the launch of a big game. I went back and read the PR and it looks like what happened was it suggested Switch sales of 115k for up to the date of MK8D's launch, and then the day it launched and the few days afterwards is when it got the extra 150k sales because there was a big restock in stores and because MK8D is a hugely successful software title. Or is that not the case?

April 2017 covered April 2nd through April 29th. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe released on April 28th.

That makes 165k Switch consoles sold in only two days (82.5k per day) while the preceding 26 days averaged ~4.4k per day.

Sounds about right for a system that was extremely hard to come by post-launch that was then given a comparatively big restock.



SpokenTruth said:
colafitte said:

In fact Rol, to argument my theory why the numbers can be correct, I want to say that those numbers from VGC are from a different set of days. If those 5 days instead of 400k like you said are 300K, for example, then there's 650k units sold in that period being 250k-300k the rest of the month which can be probable too.

Because we don't  know which days were better for Switch last year...., (if 5 days prior BF or after), we can not assume anything. If what i'm saying is correct, then every number give by Nintendo is correct.

But that's just my theory...

OR...the whole damn 7.38 million extrapolated NPD figure is wrong.

You guys keep talking about the possibility that Nintendo is wrong while simultaneously accepting an extrapolated figure as gospel.

Yeah, people actually forgetting they with those "more than 8.2m" vs around 7.3m, comparing Nintendo internal numbers with 3rd party numbers.



I can't wait for NPD. It's gonna be a close one.



fatslob-:O said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

I don't doubt them: they don't lie, it's just that PRs of each company carefully choose both wording and the most favourable interval within the period from the previous Monday to Cyber Monday and the best possible comparison between current numbers and their own company's previous ones or a relevant competitor's current or previous ones.
This makes comparisons more difficult for us: each year each company can choose BF week or BF weekend or the period between BF and Cyber Monday or between Thanksgiving and CM or the whole period of BF week plus CM and compare it with its own previous numbers or a competitor's current or previous ones, and they rarely make the same choice (unlike official financial reports, but those usually give quarterly results, they can add some PR spin about BF or Xmas or anything else that's positive for investors, but they must be precise on the whole quarter numbers they give, be they just revenue and profit or sales numbers too). If and only if each company gives us actual numbers for exactly the same period we can make a direct comparison. Second best situation for us is if a company won BF alone, BF weekend, the whole BF week and CM too, in that case we know the outcome whatever other PRs say.

Nintendo has released precise numbers for the Switch before the NPD Group did and within a margin of error of <100k ... 

There's no viable reason to believe that Nintendo doesn't have precise data especially when they practice telemetry so they can immediately receive data if a new Switch unit was activated or not through each unit's unique hardware ID which automatically translates to sell through numbers ... (9/10 households have internet access in the US so the method I proposed is fine for collecting high quality data) 

And Nintendo did give us hard figures numbers but quite a few on here are obviously reluctant to accept them and instead choose to perform mental gymnastics so here I can give a solid review about the Switch numbers below: 

"Nintendo Switch hardware sales grew 115 percent compared to the same period in 2017." (Bullshit

"Lifetime sales of Nintendo Switch, which is entering only its second holiday season, have reached more than 8.2 million units." (Valuable)

"Sales of first-party games, including digital downloads, topped 1 million units Nov. 22-26, beating 2017’s totals by 78 percent." (Valuable

"Nintendo Switch games Pokémon: Let’s Go, Pikachu! and Pokémon: Let’s Go, Eevee! have hit combined U.S. sales of more than 1.5 million units since their Nov. 16 launch." (Valuable)

"Super Mario Party surpassed lifetime U.S. sales of 1 million units, becoming the fastest-selling game in the Mario Party series" (Valuable

"It became the best-selling Nintendo console in U.S. history for that five-day period, surpassing even Wii system sales." (Bullshit

I'm pretty sure you can now understand why the first and last statements are shitty since their not of any value when those statements aren't quantifiable while the statements in the middle are of value since it gives us arguably precise data and it's well implicated that Nintendo collected data up until the 26th of this month so the only true statement is that the "Nintendo Switch sold over 8.2M units on November 26 in the US" while the first or last statement is just useless crap ... 

Yep, I was focusing more on the fact that even true numbers are given in a way that makes BF week sales comparisons more difficult, but I agree with what you wrote.
Well, those valuable numbers already are very interesting and they tell us a lot, for  BF week direct comparison we'll use VGC and other estimates, with their margin of error, better after they'll have been adjusted when as many competitors' official numbers as possible will be available.



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I'm really curious to get some actual numerical analysis from the people who think that the 8.2M LTD figure really includes all of November up to Cyber Monday.

Remember:
Wii sold 500k on Black Friday alone in 2011, so Switch must have sold more than 500k in those five days.
Switch sold more than 200k at Best Buy alone between November 4th and the day before Thanksgiving.
Whatever Switch sold during those five days, it sold 53.5% less for the same period in 2017.
LTD at the end of October was 7.38M, so the sales between November 4th and Cyber Monday (according to you) must be between 0.82M and 0.91M.

Have fun reconciling those numbers.

Last edited by StarDoor - on 29 November 2018

StarDoor said:

I'm really curious to get some actual numerical analysis from the people who think that the 8.2M LTD figure really includes all of November up to Cyber Monday.

Remember:
Wii sold 500k on Black Friday alone in 2011, so Switch must have sold more than 500k in those five days.
Switch sold more than 200k at Best Buy alone between November 4th and the day before Thanksgiving.
Whatever Switch sold during those five days, it sold 53.5% less for the same period in 2017.
LTD at the end of October was 7.38M, so the sales between November 4th and Cyber Monday (according to you) must be between 0.82M and 0.91M.

Have fun reconciling those numbers.

Just out of curiosity, where did you get that data?



PAOerfulone said:

Just out of curiosity, where did you get that data?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pr-switch-surpasses-wii-in-best-selling-nintendo-console-in-us-on-bf-cm-115-hw-over-2017.83690/page-12#post-15458697

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pr-switch-surpasses-wii-in-best-selling-nintendo-console-in-us-on-bf-cm-115-hw-over-2017.83690/page-12#post-15458782

Actually, it might even be between November 4th and November 17th, since he said it sold more than 200k outside of Black Friday week.



StarDoor said:
PAOerfulone said:

Just out of curiosity, where did you get that data?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pr-switch-surpasses-wii-in-best-selling-nintendo-console-in-us-on-bf-cm-115-hw-over-2017.83690/page-12#post-15458697

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pr-switch-surpasses-wii-in-best-selling-nintendo-console-in-us-on-bf-cm-115-hw-over-2017.83690/page-12#post-15458782

Actually, it might even be between November 4th and November 17th, since he said it sold more than 200k outside of Black Friday week.

I don't see any mention of best buy at all, he's saying based on his data switch sold more 200k in the US before that black Friday period. 



quickrick said:

I don't see any mention of best buy at all, he's saying based on his data switch sold more 200k in the US before that black Friday period. 

Benji is an insider who works at Best Buy. Given how much you talk about him, I assumed that you would already know that.