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JRPGfan said:
o_O.Q said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/33-dead-130-injured-china-knife-wielding-spree-n41966

33 dead, 130 injured in a knifing spree

That was 10 or more Muslim extremists, running through crowds stabbing people, in a co-ordinated terror attack.
Thats insane though...... didnt think such things happend with just knives.

 

people in this thread have mocked the idea that its not guns that kill people but its people that kill people

and to me that just exposes ignorance

the fact of the matter is that if a persons' resolve to kill is strong enough then they'll find some other alternative to harm others if you ban guns

 

and no matter how much of your freedoms you give up to your government they will never be able to guarantee you a completely safe environment

and often in the process of trying to do so they still end up killing millions and making the lives of their citizens a living hell 

 

if any of those chinese citizens had a gun in their possession they would have been able to stop that attack i'd think



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o_O.Q said:
HintHRO said:

Actually we (Europe, Australia, Asia etc) can say exactly the same about people living in the US. The solution is so simple we can't believe the US hasn't done anything about it: Just. Ban. The. Fucking. Guns. You can call us ignorant, stupid or hyperbole, but we live in countries where school shootings actually never happen and that is because guns are not allowed. Allow guns and many innocent people die, or ban guns and way less innocent people die. For us it's not that hard a choice, but apparently for America it is.

you also had hitler's germany, the soviet union, moa's china etc etc etc where millions of innocent people were killed by government suppression

maybe you guys don't really have it figured out and just maybe making the government the only factor in self defense is an unbelievably stupid idea

That's a hyperbole itself you think guns are going to stop governments who have gunships and aircraft? Look at your own country the lunatic in charge is flat out saying he wants to change this and that and you're all sitting around with little reaction that's how people like Hitler and so on came into power they are elected and people don't take them too seriously until it was well too late and he has control of the military that's what the whole replacing of people in key posts is about.

We have it figured out fine actually fact is what are you and your little hand gun going to do against aircraft dropping bombs and tanks? If the Government want to suppress you the only defence is not that gun you have it's if the military decides to comply.



o_O.Q said:
HintHRO said:

Actually we (Europe, Australia, Asia etc) can say exactly the same about people living in the US. The solution is so simple we can't believe the US hasn't done anything about it: Just. Ban. The. Fucking. Guns. You can call us ignorant, stupid or hyperbole, but we live in countries where school shootings actually never happen and that is because guns are not allowed. Allow guns and many innocent people die, or ban guns and way less innocent people die. For us it's not that hard a choice, but apparently for America it is.

you also had hitler's germany, the soviet union, moa's china etc etc etc where millions of innocent people were killed by government suppression

maybe you guys don't really have it figured out and just maybe making the government the only factor in self defense is an unbelievably stupid idea

 

and you are wrong about attack on schools btw i know for certain that its a massive problem in china but with knives

In what way does our government surpass the amount of innocent people getting killed compared to people getting killed by guns in the US? Genuinely interested in that.

Also, you wanna compare us to Hitler? A country where it's actually possible for a hate-spreading narcissist to be elected president is comparing continents with way less unnessecary deaths to Hitler? Makes perfect sense.



Wyrdness said:
o_O.Q said:

you also had hitler's germany, the soviet union, moa's china etc etc etc where millions of innocent people were killed by government suppression

maybe you guys don't really have it figured out and just maybe making the government the only factor in self defense is an unbelievably stupid idea

That's a hyperbole itself you think guns are going to stop governments who have gunships and aircraft? Look at your own country the lunatic in charge is flat out saying he wants to change this and that and you're all sitting around with little reaction that's how people like Hitler and so on came into power they are elected and people don't take them too seriously until it was well too late and he has control of the military that's what the whole replacing of people in key posts is about.

We have it figured out fine actually fact is what are you and your little hand gun going to do against aircraft dropping bombs and tanks? If the Government want to suppress you the only defence is not that gun you have it's if the military decides to comply.

"That's a hyperbole itself you think guns are going to stop governments who have gunships and aircraft?"

oh ok so just bend over and take any abuse your government seeks to dish out at you... that's a bright idea man

 

" Look at your own country the lunatic in charge is flat out saying he wants to change this and that and you're all sitting around with little reaction that's how people like Hitler"

list one authoritarian policy trump has put in place since going into office?

wait hang on hang on did you not just try to express futility at the idea of opposing government?

 

"that's how people like Hitler and so on came into power"

hitler rose to power because people demanded more security from their government... wtf kinda like what's happening now... strange

but i wouldn't expect you to know that since that's never really discussed for some reason

 

"We have it figured out fine actually fact is what are you and your little hand gun going to do against aircraft dropping bombs and tanks? If the Government want to suppress you the only defence is not that gun you have it's if the military decides to comply."

governments have oppressed people for most of human history and have been overthrown for as long

why do you worship government like its some type of god?



HintHRO said:
o_O.Q said:

you also had hitler's germany, the soviet union, moa's china etc etc etc where millions of innocent people were killed by government suppression

maybe you guys don't really have it figured out and just maybe making the government the only factor in self defense is an unbelievably stupid idea

 

and you are wrong about attack on schools btw i know for certain that its a massive problem in china but with knives

In what way does our government surpass the amount of innocent people getting killed compared to people getting killed by guns in the US? Genuinely interested in that.

Also, you wanna compare us to Hitler? A country where it's actually possible for a hate-spreading narcissist to be elected president is comparing continents with way less unnessecary deaths to Hitler? Makes perfect sense.

you clearly did not read what i said, which was that in europe and asian not that long ago we've had brutal governments that made the lives of their citizens a living hell because they became too controlling of their citizens and that shows that maybe you guys really don't have it figured out and that repeating the same process is idiocy

edit "In what way does our government surpass the amount of innocent people getting killed compared to people getting killed by guns in the US?"

go read some history

 

"Also, you wanna compare us to Hitler?"

compare who to hitler? wtf are you talking about?

 

" A country where it's actually possible for a hate-spreading narcissist to be elected president"

most people in power are narcissists and hate spreading?

bill clinton sanction this shit

and obama continued the unjustified wars in the region started by him and bush wtf are you talking about

"spreading hate" lol wake the f up and stop drinking the koolaid from the mainstream media

you think killing millions of kids in other countries isn't hateful?

 

btw can you actually give some examples of the hate trump is spreading? this should be funny

Last edited by o_O.Q - on 08 November 2018

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o_O.Q said:

"That's a hyperbole itself you think guns are going to stop governments who have gunships and aircraft?"

oh ok so just bend over and take any abuse your government seeks to dish out at you... that's a bright idea man

 

" Look at your own country the lunatic in charge is flat out saying he wants to change this and that and you're all sitting around with little reaction that's how people like Hitler"

list one authoritarian policy trump has put in place since going into office?

wait hang on hang on did you not just try to express futility at the idea of opposing government?

 

"that's how people like Hitler and so on came into power"

hitler rose to power because people demanded more security from their government... wtf kinda like what's happening now... strange

but i wouldn't expect you to know that since that's never really discussed for some reason

 

"We have it figured out fine actually fact is what are you and your little hand gun going to do against aircraft dropping bombs and tanks? If the Government want to suppress you the only defence is not that gun you have it's if the military decides to comply."

governments have oppressed people for most of human history and have been overthrown for as long

why do you worship government like its some type of god?

Ironic that your own President is doing just that to your own country in targeting citizens of certain lineage and we every now and then hear of the problems some native american communities face in their land being taken for the Governments' own projects like oil pipes and all. People like yourself tend to not notice because at the moment it's not affecting you, that's how people like Hitler operated by the time it does affect you everyone else it did beforehand has already been suppressed making you the easiest target which is why your Hitler argument is more ironic than anything as he rose to power not through oppression but through the same political promises and process like everyone else the oppression only began when all avenues where clear and all his bases were covered and people had a false sense of security. That's why your notion that you need guns to stop that is the most comical defence the rest of the world finds because that old chestnut was for a time when people used bayonets and horses not long range bombers and tanks.



Wyrdness said:
o_O.Q said:

"That's a hyperbole itself you think guns are going to stop governments who have gunships and aircraft?"

oh ok so just bend over and take any abuse your government seeks to dish out at you... that's a bright idea man

 

" Look at your own country the lunatic in charge is flat out saying he wants to change this and that and you're all sitting around with little reaction that's how people like Hitler"

list one authoritarian policy trump has put in place since going into office?

wait hang on hang on did you not just try to express futility at the idea of opposing government?

 

"that's how people like Hitler and so on came into power"

hitler rose to power because people demanded more security from their government... wtf kinda like what's happening now... strange

but i wouldn't expect you to know that since that's never really discussed for some reason

 

"We have it figured out fine actually fact is what are you and your little hand gun going to do against aircraft dropping bombs and tanks? If the Government want to suppress you the only defence is not that gun you have it's if the military decides to comply."

governments have oppressed people for most of human history and have been overthrown for as long

why do you worship government like its some type of god?

Ironic that your own President is doing just that to your own country in targeting citizens of certain lineage and we every now and then hear of the problems some native american communities face in their land being taken for the Governments' own projects like oil pipes and all. People like yourself tend to not notice because at the moment it's not affecting you, that's how people like Hitler operated by the time it does affect you everyone else it did beforehand has already been suppressed making you the easiest target which is why your Hitler argument is more ironic than anything as he rose to power not through oppression but through the same political promises and process like everyone else the oppression only began when all avenues where clear and all his bases were covered and people had a false sense of security. That's why your notion that you need guns to stop that is the most comical defence the rest of the world finds because that old chestnut was for a time when people used bayonets and horses not long range bombers and tanks.

"we every now and then hear of the problems some native american communities face in their land being taken for the Governments' own projects like oil pipes and all"

well shit man you mean to tell me that governments can encroach too far onto the rights of the people? that's crazy talk

 

"that's how people like Hitler operated"

no, what hitler did was prey on fear of lack of security

 

"which is why your Hitler argument is more ironic than anything as he rose to power not through oppression but through the same political promises"

which is exactly what i said

"hitler rose to power because people demanded more security from their government"

 

"People like yourself tend to not notice because at the moment it's not affecting you"

"making you the easiest target"

really? even though i would rather the government had less power to intrude into the lives of people?

how do you put the two together i wonder?

you do realise that simply not giving government so much power to begin with is an alternative right? or has that not occurred to you?

 

". That's why your notion that you need guns to stop that is the most comical defence the rest of the world finds"

you need the guns when its too late and the morons in your country have thrown away the rights of everyone through democracy to have some means of opposition

the rest of the world doesn't have too good of a record as i have already mentioned

we have hitler's germany, the soviet union, mao's china etc etc etc as notable examples



JRPGfan said:
o_O.Q said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/33-dead-130-injured-china-knife-wielding-spree-n41966

33 dead, 130 injured in a knifing spree

That was 10 or more Muslim extremists, running through crowds stabbing people, in a co-ordinated terror attack.
Thats insane though...... didnt think such things happend with just knives.

40inches long. May as well called them swords lol

In a busy train station attacked slow older people who couldn't move fast.



 

 

Cobretti2 said:
JRPGfan said:

That was 10 or more Muslim extremists, running through crowds stabbing people, in a co-ordinated terror attack.
Thats insane though...... didnt think such things happend with just knives.

40inches long. May as well called them swords lol

In a busy train station attacked slow older people who couldn't move fast.

It would have been much worse if it was guns.



What a fucked up country.

But then again, I'm not even surprised anymore.. it's going to keep happening and they arent going to anything to solve the problem.