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Apparently, the person who committed the mass shooting doesn't have a criminal record outside of speeding tickets. If this is true, I don't know how we could've restricted his gun rights. We could say anyone who had ptsd can't have a gun, but that will result in people not getting any help and probably cause more mass shootings.



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Snoopy said:

Apparently, the person who committed the mass shooting doesn't have a criminal record outside of speeding tickets. If this is true, I don't know how we could've restricted his gun rights. We could say anyone who had ptsd can't have a gun, but that will result in people not getting any help and probably cause more mass shootings.

Uh.....what?  How?   How does that result in them not getting any help and actually cause more mass shootings?



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Snoopy said:

Apparently, the person who committed the mass shooting doesn't have a criminal record outside of speeding tickets. If this is true, I don't know how we could've restricted his gun rights. We could say anyone who had ptsd can't have a gun, but that will result in people not getting any help and probably cause more mass shootings.

Your slippery slope fallacy doesn't happen here though?



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Snoopy said:

Apparently, the person who committed the mass shooting doesn't have a criminal record outside of speeding tickets. If this is true, I don't know how we could've restricted his gun rights. We could say anyone who had ptsd can't have a gun, but that will result in people not getting any help and probably cause more mass shootings.

the OP links to a cnn page, where theres articles related to this situation.

articles like :

Neighbor said shooter's mother "lived in fear"  (police had been called to home a few times)
Hes even had mental health specialists with them out to the house to talk to him before.
They cleared him (he wasnt crazy enough for them to do anything about it, I guess).

I think there was something about domestic violence too...  cant find atm.
So its not true he just had speeding tickets.
His family + police knew he wasnt "quite" right in the head, yet he still got to keep his gun.

 

"We could say anyone who had ptsd can't have a gun, but that will result in people not getting any help and probably cause more mass shootings."

That makes alot of sense actually imo.
People who have had mental break downs before, probably shouldnt own a gun.
Even if its been years without them haveing another break down.

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SpokenTruth said:
Snoopy said:

Apparently, the person who committed the mass shooting doesn't have a criminal record outside of speeding tickets. If this is true, I don't know how we could've restricted his gun rights. We could say anyone who had ptsd can't have a gun, but that will result in people not getting any help and probably cause more mass shootings.

Uh.....what?  How?   How does that result in them not getting any help and actually cause more mass shootings?

Because a lot of military members along with Americans, in general, WANT to keep their guns and will be afraid to get help (admit they have ptsd or any mental issues) if it stops them from having guns. They will stay silent until one day they explode and people get hurt.



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Snoopy said:

Apparently, the person who committed the mass shooting doesn't have a criminal record outside of speeding tickets. If this is true, I don't know how we could've restricted his gun rights. We could say anyone who had ptsd can't have a gun, but that will result in people not getting any help and probably cause more mass shootings.

Edit: Answered my question in a prior post.



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outlawauron said:

You know there are countries with much worse gun problems than the US? Central and South America generally have much larger problems with gun related deaths and violence.

So you want to use the gang-ridden state of third world countries as the bar for acceptability for the United States?

No, not at all. Please don't put words in mouth.

The hyperbole from people who don't live in the US is tiring. There's never any genuine conversation.



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JRPGfan said:
Snoopy said:

Apparently, the person who committed the mass shooting doesn't have a criminal record outside of speeding tickets. If this is true, I don't know how we could've restricted his gun rights. We could say anyone who had ptsd can't have a gun, but that will result in people not getting any help and probably cause more mass shootings.

the OP links to a cnn page, where theres articles related to this situation.

articles like :

Neighbor said shooter's mother "lived in fear"  (police had been called to home a few times)
Hes even had mental health specialists with them out to the house to talk to him before.
They cleared him (he wasnt crazy enough for them to do anything about it, I guess).

I think there was something about domestic violence too...  cant find atm.
So its not true he just had speeding tickets.
His family + police knew he wasnt "quite" right in the head, yet he still got to keep his gun.

 

"We could say anyone who had ptsd can't have a gun, but that will result in people not getting any help and probably cause more mass shootings."

That makes alot of sense actually imo.
People who have had mental break downs before, probably shouldnt own a gun.
Even if its been years without them haveing another break down.

Just because you get the police called on you doesn't mean it will be on your criminal record. I got the police called on me before because a neighbor thought I was putting my trash on her lawn which wasn't true or one time when I was younger a neighbor called the police on my dad because he was yelling at me and my sister (we did something stupid that I regret to this day). The police officer actually yelled a little at us for doing it.



outlawauron said:
Jumpin said:

So you want to use the gang-ridden state of third world countries as the bar for acceptability for the United States?

No, not at all. Please don't put words in mouth.

The hyperbole from people who don't live in the US is tiring. There's never any genuine conversation.

This is true.  Many of the comments I usually see about this are either useless sarcasm, ridiculous comparisons, or unrealistic proclamations.  



Snoopy said:
JRPGfan said:

Just because you get the police called on you doesn't mean it will be on your criminal record. I got the police called on me before because a neighbor thought I was putting my trash on her lawn which wasn't true or one time when I was younger a neighbor called the police on my dad because he was yelling at me and my sister (we did something stupid that I regret to this day). The police officer actually yelled a little at us for doing it.

Then lets say your Mom/dad or your Wife, calls the cops on you and tell them your haveing a mental break down.
It doesnt go on your record.... but do you think you should be allowed to keep a gun afterwards?

Like if your mom,dad or wife, feared for their saftey or yours, and called cops because of it..... shouldnt they take your fire arm away from you?

Thats what happend right? and thats very differnt than a neighbor complaining about someone potentially putting their trash the wrong place.