Too much Nintendo hating from disolitude... too bad Wii will get tons of support ;)

OK, lets sum up here shall we? SO the Wii have no 3rd party support eh? When it comes to 3rd party games, there are only 5 publishers that you must consider for you to be succesful atleast in western publishers. EA, THQ, Activision, Ubisoft and Atari.

First was EA, OK sure, EA sucks but its a fact that EA was one of the most succesful publishers in the world and acquire some good titles by buying it in other companies like Need for Speed and Burnout series. EA was succesful into the Wii that they even have casual branch just only for the Wii and the DS. And dont tell me that their new Ips arent succesful, Mysims was succesful enough for EA to warrant a sequel. Well thats what the rumor says. And there are good titles  that made by EA such as The Godfather and Medal of Honor Heroes 2 SURE, they are ports but this only shows that EA have huge support for the Wii, and there are IPs that should be only in 360 and PS3 thats been ported on the Wii like Need for Speed pro Street

Second was THQ, dont tell me that this publisher wasnt succesful they made Nickelodeon games such as Spongebob Squarepants and this company can live with only Smackdown VS RAW series alone. And we all know that THQ have total support for the Wii right? They even made de blob just for the Wii COM'N! >.<

Third was Activison, TWO WORDS Guitar Hero I think that will sum all of it to you. A publisher that made Tony Hawk and Call of Duty series, no one can deny how popular this publisher is and they're all out for the Wii.

Fourth was Ubisoft created such good games such as Prince of Persia, Splinter Cell, Driver series and Far Cry. Yeah, far cry sucks on the Wii but so what atleast they make up for it with Red Steel, yeah, there are mixed reviews about this one BUT Red Steel was popular and a million seller to warrant a sequel which in the works now. After all, Tenkaichi 1 was SO BAD but its popularity warrant sequels that create Tenkaichi 3 which is the best DBZ game evah. So Red Steel 2 will be 10 times better than the first.

And last but not the least, ATARI. So what ATARI made? Except for Unreal Tournament I dunno much, BUT Atari have the rights to publish anime games such as Naruto and DBZ. So ATARI was also a important publisher too, if not for ATARI we might aswell buy imports but again, ATARI acquire the rights for Tenkaichi series for the Wii and look at how it turned out to be...

Anyway, thats all for now sorry if its long

Disolitude, your view may be that the industry would be taking a step backwards, but to me personally, I think 3-D motion controls beat better graphics in terms of advancement..

disolitude said: No it won't. The best game developers want to make games to push their limits and ideas to the max. Games like MGS4 and Fable2... The rest like EA, Ubisoft and the new Sega want to just make money... wii will have lots of games from those companies.

Yeah, the same thing that happened with the PS1 and the PS2 right?  Each were the weakest systems of their generation and had the most support.  Developers FOLLOW THE MONEY, not this "pushing limits to the max" crap.  If they wanted to push limits, they'd develop games for a PC and then about 1% of PC owners would be able to play it.

 

The Wii will end this generation with more support than the PS1 or PS2, because they'll have THAT much support... plus Nintendo first party games, which is an assload these days.

disolitude said: 2. Why was doom 3, Halflife 2, Far cry and ninja gaiden done on xbox only.

  
I think it's pretty well known that when MicroSoft wants an exclusive they throw around a couple of these:

Viper1 said: Yes it will. Game development is typically 2-3 years long. This means that a majority of all the 3rd party games out right now were planned and in development prior to the launch of the Wii. Now that the Wii is the success most 3rd parties never saw coming, they are reallocating their efforts towards Wii. Recall last year when dozens of 3rd parties stated they'll now support Wii or even open a whole new studio just to support Wii. Well the fruition of that change of heart will be more apparent by the end of this year to early next year. 3rd party support for Wii will in time return the NES/SNES glory days.

I couldn't have said it any better myself.

disolitude said: Viper1 said: Disolitude, did you put any thought into that or are you just trying to sound like a fanboy? I'm gathering the latter over the former. - 1 First off, all...I repeat, ALL 3rd parties are out to make money. While the noble idea of wanting to make the best experience they can is quite possibly high on their list of attributes, money is number 1 for them all. It's a fact of business that most of us gamers don't like to entertain. To consider your imaginative conversation for a moment, then all games should be played on a PC. Or to consider consoles only, last generation should have been Xbox only instead of the weaker powered PS2. -2 Then we must explore your other notion. That the gaming experience is of the utmost importance to the developer. In which case it is completely subjective to which console can deliver the perfect rendition of their artistic experience and therefore the Wii can very well compete with the HD consoles by providing a more robust interactive experience that submerses the player as a more active participant more so than merely a button masher. Does the developer want to you simply press play to listen to their orchestra.....or have you conduct it yourself? - 3 At any rate, either notion suggests the Wii is clearly in place to entice a larger portion of the 3rd party pie.   1. Why are people always on this site acused of being fanboys when they criticise Nintendo? I got a wii 2 months after it came out... this is deffinetly a sign of a nintendo hater. You people really freak me out actually...you remind me of Christians in the American southern states...blind faith + 1. 2. Why was doom 3, Halflife 2, Far cry and ninja gaiden done on xbox only. They would have made gallons of money on ps2...but the experience would have been compromised. Hence developers decided to go with xbox only. Doom 3 and far cry was even in development for ps2 but they were scrapped. Difference between xbox and ps2 is much smaller than difference between wii and ps360 so you make the call on what are the odds of seeing GTA5 or RE5 on the Wii. 3. Again you prove my point..conducting an orchestra, painting a fence, cutting a tree...yes wii will do those parts in games great. However, you can not base a whole game on one gameplay mechanic...therefore you have to put it in as mini games or mini quests. Mario Gallaxy and Smash brothers would control better as a whole with a gmaecube controller...very few people will deny that. 4. In any case, I think that if what you people saying is true, and game devs start using the wii as their main develping platform, the whole industry will be taking a step backwards until wii gets a hard drive or some decent online support and a normal controller for 80% of games out there that don't need to have random stick waggling. Not to mention the loss in visual quality we will lose if this trend takes place...

1. You didn't critisize Nintendo, you were just ignoring facts, without having any constructive point. 2. M$ does pay big bucks for exclusivity. Besides, you can hardly call 3 games a strong 3rd party support, unless you were meaning that it proved that XB got couple of thousands of games, opposed to hundreds on PS2. Oh, wait... You see, Wii isn't going to get all games, just most of them. Yes, the difference is bigger, but so are the differences in financial issues too. And what's most important, one thing that haven't changed is that companies need to make profit. 3. So, what games exactly base only on gameplay mechanics? Very few of them. In most games, the mechanics just give more depht for the gameplay. SMG wouldn't play better with a GC controller. In Brawl, surprise, you actually can play with the GC controller, just like in Mario Kart Wii, it's only your choice what method to use. Optional control methods will be in most games in the future. 4. No, it's not a stepback. It's actually a giant leap forward. If people are interested in the type of games they play today, these games will still be made. Wii doesn't stop graphics going forward, but it offers profitable platform for different kinds of games and therefore drives the industry forward in terms of expanding and profit for developers. It's really a win-win situation ->more profit->more games->more customers->more profit...

08 has a way better line up than 07 did with so many titles still TBA - As Viper1 said - this is because they weren't planned prior to the Wii's launch and everyone is playing catch up.

08 will be a huge year for third party support with so many weird and wonderful games - hell even the 1 player games look weird and interesting (a la Deadly Creatures). On top of this this is the first year Wii will have the EA sports games that have had a full year development put into them and should introduce online modes into Tiger Woods.

Whilst the console still sells more than the others, remains the cheapest to develop for, racks up more million sellers each week and games finally show legs as the good ones keep constantly selling - it will get supported.

It depends on the type of games.

FPS: No
Racers: No

RPG's: Yes
Adventures: Yes
Sim: Yes
Platform: Yes
Puzzle: Yes
Startegy: Yes

Come on now guys. Disolitude has a right to his opinion. It's not the majority of opinion in this post so far, but the likes of KoW, and a few others haven't found it yet.

I'm sure there are many that would back him up.

@disolitude

I see your point about everything but motion controls. I guarntee you MS would add them in, and probably will. PS3 already has them. Now, there are many Wii games that don't use them. If Bioware makes a game, they decide how to use the controller, or how not to.

I respectfully disagree with your reasoning, which I feel is rather shallow.


I think the only reasons that the Wii could possibly not have the best support is:

A. Nintendo burnt bridges with 3rd parties.

B. Games for PS3 can be multiplatted to 360 much easier than the Wii.

C. Target demographics for traditional games are better hit by PS3/360 combined, than Wii alone.


Other than that, there are also many reasons to expect the Wii to have great 3rd party support, same as the DS. Many smaller companies, particularly Japanese targeted ones, will migrate to the Wii. This is mostly Atlus games to US consumers. They won't be making graphical powerhouses anytime soon, and the Japanese market is Nintendo dominated.

Win the Japanese developers, win the war, that's how it is. No matter how many versions of MLB: The Show you have on your console, you can't replace an Odin Sphere or a Persona 3 that easily. Eventually, these companies will be forced to release on the Wii. They are already testing the waters. Plus, promised support from every significant developer based on sales has already happened:

3rd party support directly contributed to sales, on the Wii:

Rock Band

Guitar Hero IV
Call of Duty V
Monster Hunter 3

This industry is a business. If it is more profitable to support the Wii, than the 360 and the PS3, then that is what will happen. There is no big Soap Opera where feelings are hurt. This is a business. It's outcome is determined by profit. If the Wii sells enough consoles, it will get enough games. That's how this industry works.