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o_O.Q said:
if unions are a good thing then why would hitler, for example, shut them down?

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Research how working conditions were 100 years ago and compare them to today. That will answer your question.



o_O.Q said:
if unions are a good thing then why would hitler, for example, shut them down?

I think you just answered your own question.

XD84 said:
Research how working conditions were 100 years ago and compare them to today. That will answer your question.

Yep. While there's certainly a danger that unions can get too powerful and lead to scenarios such as the UK being basically brought to its knees by militant unions in the 1970s, going to the exact opposite extreme and banning unions entirely (or rendering them powerless) would be just as bad, if not worse.



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I'm in a union. So far, they've only proven themselves capable of getting themselves paid. Our annual bonus was cut by over half. Nobody they've represented seems to have benefited any more than if they had defended themselves. They took credit for things that were already happening. Yet they say "If we didn't have a union, the company would just walk all over us" when it was already a fantastic place to work.



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They're both good and bad. I suppose they're a bit like insurance in a way. If something goes really bad then they should be worthwhile, the rest of the time though they're just a waste of your money.



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vivster said:
Mr Puggsly said:

You're terrible at analogies.

Also, I'm gonna leave this here...

Unions help and work, that is not an opinion, that is a fact. Got anything substantial to say against that?

I didn't really say otherwise, my point was your analogy is awful.

When work conditions were poor, its obvious why unions had great value. But now we live in world where significant changes have been made via laws, many companies tend to be generous with benefits and the value of unions are no longer as apparent. There are examples of unions being exploitive or actually killing jobs.

But again, I'm more bothered by government employees in unions. Helps encourage waste of taxpayers money.



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Yet they say "If we didn't have a union, the company would just walk all over us" when it was already a fantastic place to work.

When did the workplace switch to being unionized labor?



I can only speak for the union in the company I work for.
I was in a unionless company before. Than a merge with another company happened and suddenly we had a union. One of the first things they did was unifying the work contracts. We got a 13th month payment every year before the union. With the new contracts the payment was higher, but we only got 12 payments. The overall sum didn't change.
However they also altered our business trip conditions. Before the union 100% were paid. After the union 100% were only paid, if specific conditions were met.
Don't want to go too deep into the details, but to make it short the business trip conditions are worse than before.
So in my case the union made things worse. Our union also used some dirty tactics at the supervisory board election.
I still think that unions did great things in the past and there are probably still jobs and countries which need them.
I also support the union if they call out a strike. (They have a point, if they say they can't get good results without support.) But I won't become a paying member. Our union just did too many stupid things, which I can't forgive them ...



It all depends on country and at the stage of their development and industry you are in TBH. Some federal laws in some countries offer great protection to employees so unions are not needed to challenge if you loose your job on unfair dismissal.

100 years ago unions made sense.

For blue collar workers it makes send to have unions who offer strong support as generally they all do the same roll and can be measured against similar rolls around the country/world.

White collar office workers not so much as everyone pretty much has an individual role so hard to argue if you getting a fair pay or not when every job is unique. When it comes to negotiate wage increases generally a employee collective group do that. It goes a little like this, company offer 2%, employees counter with 3% increase, they always land in the middle lol.

Some unions are a toothless tiger. Will convince you that you are within your right then they backdown when things get difficult and the employees suffer.