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PortisheadBiscuit on 16 October 2018

 

RolStoppable said: 
PortisheadBiscuit said: 

You perform some pretty remarkable mental gymnastics, not sure if it's in the vein of deceit or naivete. My guess is the former. 

Your question wasnt directed towards me specifically, so I did not address it. In fact, I didnt even watch the speech. The only reason I posted in this thread to begin with was reactionary; to Lurker's turbulent and problematic comment.

There were several questions directed at both you and Lurker, challenging your abilities to accurately critique prominent members of hip hop culture...which you both cunningly ignored. So no, I am not the culprit of dodging. I've replied to every comment addressed towards me, while you and Lurker have cherry picked which posts to reply to. 

Does that mean you recognize Kanye West as a highly intellectual individual?

EDIT: Oops, you said that you didn't even watch the speech. That answers my question.

  Okay now that's out of the way, would you like to address several of these comments directed at you and Lurker that were ignored? 

 

 

 

PortisheadBiscuit said:
RolStoppable said:

Hip-hop and rap is music that isn't known for intellectual lyrics or even human decency. If that is used as the basis for your expectations, then being mere average as far as coherence goes can already be considered amazing. If your expectations are based on a normal level though, then "amazing" turns into "average at best".

I hope that explanation helped.

To people who don't know anything about hip hop except trap and gangsta rap, this is probably true. The culture extends far beyond that narrow-minded view however. 

 

jason1637 said:
RolStoppable said:

Hip-hop and rap is music that isn't known for intellectual lyrics or even human decency. If that is used as the basis for your expectations, then being mere average as far as coherence goes can already be considered amazing. If your expectations are based on a normal level though, then "amazing" turns into "average at best".

I hope that explanation helped.

There are many big lyrical rappers like Kendrick Laman,  Logic, J Cole.

 

Machiavellian said:
RolStoppable said:

Hip-hop and rap is music that isn't known for intellectual lyrics or even human decency. If that is used as the basis for your expectations, then being mere average as far as coherence goes can already be considered amazing. If your expectations are based on a normal level though, then "amazing" turns into "average at best".

I hope that explanation helped.

Not only did that explanation did not help it really only explained your viewpoint of hip hop music.  Just because you are ignorant of the music doesn't mean your viewpoint is widely shared.

 

jason1637 said:
LurkerJ said:

100%.

 

lol. "Big Lyrical". They're less silly than the average rapper, but that doesn't make them big lyricals. This only enforces what I said, the standards for being great in that medium needs to be revised.

Nah, I just refuse to give him a pass because he represents a minority. Ironically, the roles have reversed and conservatives are hailing some gibberish because it's coming from Kanye

Have you listened to the rappers I mentioned? Also what musician (doesn't have to be a rapper) would you consider to be lyrical?

 

PortisheadBiscuit said:
LurkerJ said:

100%.

 

lol. "Big Lyrical". They're less silly than the average rapper, but that doesn't make them big lyricals. This only enforces what I said, the standards for being great in that medium needs to be revised.

So who's an example of a "lyrical" rapper? Or are you just judging the entire genre as a whole? In which case, would make your entire "point" null and void. 

 

Mystro-Sama said:
RolStoppable said:

Hip-hop and rap is music that isn't known for intellectual lyrics or even human decency. If that is used as the basis for your expectations, then being mere average as far as coherence goes can already be considered amazing. If your expectations are based on a normal level though, then "amazing" turns into "average at best".

I hope that explanation helped.

Tell me more about your vast knowledge of hip-hop and its many sub genres, since you're so informed on the subject.


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Mr Puggsly on 16 October 2018
Snoopy said:
Mr Puggsly said:

How am I supposed to respond to respond to conservatives having low IQs?

I certainly know the most violent and illiterate ridden communities are run by democrats. So I don't know, maybe we have lots of idiots supporting the left as well. At the very least the left has enough idiots to keep them in power. Its democrats that want less voting limitations, because they know many of their supporters are too stupid to get an ID or whatever. Dems also want to give voting rights to felons. Why? Because criminals love democrats.

In a nut shell, the dems love idiots as long as they get their votes. I have not heard a single democrat argue they don't want votes from idiots, instead they spend a fortune trying to get them to vote. Because they're confident idiots lean democrat.

Democrats are so disgusting that in California it is no longer a felony to donate blood when you know you have HIV. This is obviously done so these scum bags can vote Democrat. How messed up is that? Not to mention they want open borders to get more votes even if it costs Americans their jobs and lives.

Even worse, CA lowered the penalty for KNOWINGLY GIVING SOMEONE HIV. Democrats don't even want to admit that was done simply to cater to certain communities. Also, they're under the illusion that this disease has been cured and nobody dies from it anymore. In reality, it still kills several thousand in the US every year or severely impacts their life. Its disgusting we treat this less serious simply because of the demographics it affects.



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Mr Puggsly on 16 October 2018
OhNoYouDont said:
Mr Puggsly said:

How am I supposed to respond to respond to conservatives having low IQs?

I certainly know the most violent and illiterate ridden communities are run by democrats. So I don't know, maybe we have lots of idiots supporting the left as well. At the very least the left has enough idiots to keep them in power. Its democrats that want less voting limitations, because they know many of their supporters are too stupid to get an ID or whatever. Dems also want to give voting rights to felons. Why? Because criminals love democrats.

In a nut shell, the dems love idiots as long as they get their votes. I have not heard a single democrat argue they don't want votes from idiots, instead they spend a fortune trying to get them to vote. Because they're confident idiots lean democrat.

That's not what I said though. I said low IQ people tend to be racist and conservative. I did not say that conservatives tend to be low IQ. 

In other words, if you have a low IQ you tend to lean to the right and you tend to be racist. 

Limitations on voting are like Jim Crow era laws man, they serve no purpose but to prevent people from casting their vote. The downtrodden may have no reason to have a driver's license and surely they should have representation?

I think you're a bit hyperbolic about criminals voting. Certainly someone who has served their time to society should have their voting rights restored upon release?

Well that's how the system works my dude. Everybody gets to vote, even the idiots. Let's not pretend the common American understands anything about politics either. Most Americans are profoundly ignorant about the candidates and simply cheers for his or her team. And it works reasonably well, to be honest. Like my man Thanos says: balance in all things.

I get what you're saying, I'm arguing we downplay the dregs of society that vote democrat. Maybe the problem with left leaning people is they're so low IQ they can't figure out how to vote. Studies show a vast majority of criminals vote democrat. That explains why dems care about the voting right of criminals, that's their people. There is certainly a correlation between bad communities and democrats.

I'm not arguing the average American is savvy on politics. I'm arguing dems love to boast how brilliant their voters are while ignoring they also get huge support from societies most useless. Not only that, dems spends a fortune trying to get ignorant people to support them. Dems don't care if their voters are intelligent, they just hate anybody that opposes them having power.



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Mr Puggsly on 16 October 2018
SuaveSocialist said:
Snoopy said:

Democrats are so disgusting that in California it is no longer a felony to donate blood when you know you have HIV. This is obviously done so these scum bags can vote Democrat.

Doesn’t West Korea test all blood samples prior to transfusions?  If not, that is where the real scandal is.  If they do test the blood, any unacceptable specimen will be rejected, so there is little point in sending the police after donors.  There are more responsible uses for their time and the taxpayer dollar than a pointless deterrent for getting tested for STD’s.

Not that the Republican Party cares about responsible spending or practical solutions.

Compared to the democrats, republicans have shown they certainly care more about responsible spending, or at least reducing spending.

Anytime we even talk about responsible spending or budget cuts, dems argue people are gonna die, austerity, blah blah blah.

Now if you really care about responsible spending, you should probably support libertarians. But the dems get a lot of support arguing they want to put more money into everything simply by taxing the rich.



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jason1637 on 16 October 2018
RolStoppable said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

You perform some pretty remarkable mental gymnastics, not sure if it's in the vein of deceit or naivete. My guess is the former. 

Your question wasnt directed towards me specifically, so I did not address it. In fact, I didnt even watch the speech. The only reason I posted in this thread to begin with was reactionary; to Lurker's turbulent and problematic comment.

There were several questions directed at both you and Lurker, challenging your abilities to accurately critique prominent members of hip hop culture...which you both cunningly ignored. So no, I am not the culprit of dodging. I've replied to every comment addressed towards me, while you and Lurker have cherry picked which posts to reply to. 

Does that mean you recognize Kanye West as a highly intellectual individual?

EDIT: Oops, you said that you didn't even watch the speech. That answers my question.

He is in the top 5% of the population. He has a really high IQ.



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SuaveSocialist on 16 October 2018
Mr Puggsly said:
SuaveSocialist said:

Doesn’t West Korea test all blood samples prior to transfusions?  If not, that is where the real scandal is.  If they do test the blood, any unacceptable specimen will be rejected, so there is little point in sending the police after donors.  There are more responsible uses for their time and the taxpayer dollar than a pointless deterrent for getting tested for STD’s.

Not that the Republican Party cares about responsible spending or practical solutions.

Compared to the democrats, republicans have shown they certainly care more about responsible spending

 

If only Beloved Leader hadn’t launched West Korea into a debt/deficit crisis.

Then maybe I wouldn’t be laughing in your face right now.

LOL

Fiscal Conservatism is fraud.

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COKTOE on 16 October 2018
jason1637 said:
RolStoppable said:

Does that mean you recognize Kanye West as a highly intellectual individual?

EDIT: Oops, you said that you didn't even watch the speech. That answers my question.

He is in the top 5% of the population. He has a really high IQ.

He claims to have a high IQ. I've never seen any proof that he actually does.



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PortisheadBiscuit on 16 October 2018
RolStoppable said:
PortisheadBiscuit said: 

Okay now that's out of the way, would you like to address several of these comments directed at you and Lurker that were ignored? 

There isn't anything worth addressing. All of those posts had the message "I don't like your view of hip-hop and rap music," but nothing of substance to dispute said view.

Said view could easily be extended to musicians as a whole, because the vast majority of musicians doesn't care much about politics. In this case hip-hop and rap were singled out because that's the music Kanye West makes. If you have a problem with that, talk to LurkerJ about it, because I merely explained what his post meant when you asked about it.

You choose to be offended without even having watched the speech. I already asked you to read the responses in this thread, many of which deemed the speech to be not even remotely close to amazing. If you don't like what has been said about hip-hop and rap, then you have to provide examples of such musicians who really have a clue about politics, because otherwise there's no reason to believe that hip-hop and rap are somehow exceptions to how music and musicians are in general.

King of subterfuge 



PortisheadBiscuit on 16 October 2018
RolStoppable said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

King of subterfuge 

Aren't you the same guy who argued that the Zelda series is niche? If I remember that right, then it's clear why this here is going nowhere.

Given your reputation (and mod history) on these forums not sure you want to bring up the past, no? 



Machiavellian on 16 October 2018
RolStoppable said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

Given your reputation (and mod history) on these forums not sure you want to bring up the past, no? 

That answer can be taken as confirmation that I remember correctly.

I am still trying to figure out why all this is such a big deal for you. Is it that you want to call LurkerJ and me racists, but are afraid to do so?

Maybe he just wants to label you 2 as ignorant.  Its pretty much what I have done.  Nothing wrong with being ignorant on a subject, unless you actually going to profess you have knowledge then its a totally different event.

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